kudus said:
Scribbly outlines, bad hands (especially the top right one), bad proportions (shanks much longer than thighs, even if you take the shorts into account), rather flat coloring and rough shading with visible wide brush strokes.
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kudus said:
Scribbly outlines, bad hands (especially the top right one), bad proportions (shanks much longer than thighs, even if you take the shorts into account), rather flat coloring and rough shading with visible wide brush strokes.
I don't know why people always think sketchiness is a sign of bad art, it simply isn't. Flat coloring is a questionable issue as well, considering the number of monochrome posts. Bad coloring is the real problem, and that post I'd say falls about halfway there, it is solidly mediocre.
Take ino for example, a lot of his recent posts are sketchy and flat. Does that make them bad? Not at all, it's simply another aesthetic. What you should be looking for is bad drawing regardless of how it was drawn. I'm just tired of people giving that excuse to say that an image deserves a flag.
The main focus of a flag should be content (that breaks site rules), the quality of the shading (In that the shadows are properly applied, form shadows where form shadows should be, cast where cast should be, with a clearly defined light source), and good anatomy (barring intentionally deformed, e.g. chibi, yukkuri, SD, kim hyung-tae).
CodeKyuubi said:
I don't know why people always think sketchiness is a sign of bad art, it simply isn't. Flat coloring is a questionable issue as well, considering the number of monochrome posts. Bad coloring is the real problem, and that post I'd say falls about halfway there, it is solidly mediocre.
Take ino for example, a lot of his recent posts are sketchy and flat. Does that make them bad? Not at all, it's simply another aesthetic. What you should be looking for is bad drawing regardless of how it was drawn. I'm just tired of people giving that excuse to say that an image deserves a flag.
The main focus of a flag should be content (that breaks site rules), the quality of the shading (In that the shadows are properly applied, form shadows where form shadows should be, cast where cast should be, with a clearly defined light source), and good anatomy (barring intentionally deformed, e.g. chibi, yukkuri, SD, kim hyung-tae).
What's that (especially SD)?
Acronym for super deformed, same thing as chibi.
EDIT: I'm fairly forgiving to sketches (especially since I upload a lot of them myself), but I do uphold a standard -- I wouldn't say the sketchiness is a problem, there. It really is moreso the flatness of the coloring and the composition as a whole. The anatomy is pretty blegh, but I won't dock too many points for that -- it's just that nothing really comes out and interests me in that posts.
Approving posts is generally a strange deal for these borderline posts. Typically posts that are barely average or below average in most respects won't get approved, but posts that show excellence in *some* category (whether that be composition, content/humor, anatomy, shading), enough to mitigate its faults, usually get approved. Take oekaki for example.
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CodeKyuubi said:
I don't know why people always think sketchiness is a sign of bad art, it simply isn't. Flat coloring is a questionable issue as well, considering the number of monochrome posts. Bad coloring is the real problem, and that post I'd say falls about halfway there, it is solidly mediocre.
I don’t consider sketchiness or flat coloring by themselves as signs of bad art. I’ve seen good sketches and flatly colored images too. But when they come together with other aspects of poor drawing (anatomy, proportions, ...), they make everything worse. Mentioning it in feedback or a flag is more like saying “X is bad, and the sketchiness and coloring sure aren’t making up for it.” I’ll try to remember phrasing it like that next time.
Mikaeri said:
Acronym for super deformed, same thing as chibi.
EDIT: I'm fairly forgiving to sketches (especially since I upload a lot of them myself), but I do uphold a standard -- I wouldn't say the sketchiness is a problem, there. It really is moreso the flatness of the coloring and the composition as a whole. The anatomy is pretty blegh, but I won't dock too many points for that -- it's just that nothing really comes out and interests me in that posts.
Approving posts is generally a strange deal for these borderline posts. Typically posts that are barely average or below average in most respects won't get approved, but posts that show excellence in *some* category (whether that be composition, content/humor, anatomy, shading), enough to mitigate its faults, usually get approved. Take oekaki for example.
Oekaki is a really strange case. It is more a thing of an artist's style. It surely doesn't look great anymore, but there are still artists who are drawing with oekaki. So drawing in oekaki is not a "fault" and doesn't make a post "average" by simply being oekaki.
provence. said:
Oekaki is a really strange case. It is more a thing of an artist's style. It surely doesn't look great anymore, but there are still artists who are drawing with oekaki. So drawing in oekaki is not a "fault" and doesn't make a post "average" by simply being oekaki.
That's exactly what I mean. Typically what makes oekaki likeable and approvable is the art style or composition that shows a somewhat 'analogue' mastery without using any advanced tools or brushes.
But because that is, if something is oekaki it should have to make up for it in some form. Oekaki by itself doesn't make up for any of a post's faults. It can be forgiven and/or disregarded, but it can't really give a post the benefit of the doubt in regards to their quality.
So, I've apparently crossed the threshold to get the "If you don't understand why..." message on my deleted uploads, and figured I might as well check before continuing. I am somewhat confused as to why certain pics that I submitted were not approved, as all they have is the 'Unapproved in three days", with the worst being on my most recent that 10+ mods did not like the pic enough (post #2704102 & post #2704105). Other, similar works by the artist have been approved in the past (post #2427984, post #2427850, post #2427822) and I can't spot the reason for one and not the other.
Similarly, I might have understood why post #2270905 was deleted due to the horizontal lines/shading covering the image, but both post #2270922 and post #2270910 went through.
I'm just not noticing any significant difference in quality, style, or subject that isn't present in another approved pic, so I'm at a bit of a loss. I'm pulling them directly from the artist's pixiv page, tagging as best I can, etc... What, then, am I getting wrong?
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Dakkan said:
So, I've apparently crossed the threshold to get the "If you don't understand why..." message on my deleted uploads, and figured I might as well check before continuing. I am somewhat confused as to why certain pics that I submitted were not approved, as all they have is the 'Unapproved in three days", with the worst being on my most recent that 10+ mods did not like the pic enough (post #2704102 & post #2704105). Other, similar works by the artist have been approved in the past (post #2427984, post #2427850, post #2427822) and I can't spot the reason for one and not the other.
Similarly, I might have understood why post #2270905 was deleted due to the horizontal lines/shading covering the image, but both post #2270922 and post #2270910 went through.
I'm just not noticing any significant difference in quality or style that isn't present in another approved pic, so I'm at a bit of a loss. I'm pulling them directly from the artist's pixiv page, tagging as best I can, etc... What, then, am I getting wrong?
Grandfather clause isn't enacted anymore. Those posts you linked I'd say are actually suitable for deletion, methinks. Although I do understand your concerns, your standard shouldn't be by what content was approved in the past, but what content is currently approved/accepted now.
My main complaint with those posts is that I'm just not a fan of the artstyle. I wouldn't call it amateurish or anything like that, but it's just the flat coloring (and messy light source) that doesn't really appeal to me. If you look through most of my approvals, you can tend to get a sense of what content I like. Each approver has their own preferences, and the way you get your posts approved at a much higher chance is by making sure they appeal to a general populace, not a niche one.
EDIT: Although I say this, you should still upload what you like, but know others will like.
Dakkan said:
So, I've apparently crossed the threshold to get the "If you don't understand why..." message on my deleted uploads, and figured I might as well check before continuing. I am somewhat confused as to why certain pics that I submitted were not approved, as all they have is the 'Unapproved in three days", with the worst being on my most recent that 10+ mods did not like the pic enough (post #2704102 & post #2704105). Other, similar works by the artist have been approved in the past (post #2427984, post #2427850, post #2427822) and I can't spot the reason for one and not the other.
Similarly, I might have understood why post #2270905 was deleted due to the horizontal lines/shading covering the image, but both post #2270922 and post #2270910 went through.
I'm just not noticing any significant difference in quality, style, or subject that isn't present in another approved pic, so I'm at a bit of a loss. I'm pulling them directly from the artist's pixiv page, tagging as best I can, etc... What, then, am I getting wrong?
If you want the simplest reason for the difference, you just need to look at who approved all those "similar quality" images. Not_One_Of_Us approved all those counterexample images, and also had lost approval privileges a few months ago.
Keep in mind that "not approved in three days because __ moderators didn't like it enough" is the default reason for an image being deleted. It doesn't strictly mean anything is wrong with it (at least enough for them to be bothered to write a particular reason), but simply that every approver either hit "not interested" or didn't act upon the image at all in three days.
So far as my own approval standard goes, it's honestly tiptoeing right along the line of what I'd approve. I don't mind the simpler shading, and like that they did the throwback to the 90's artstyle of the original show (I guess it's the difference in getting into anime before Haruhi happened), but the linework is just a little on the rough side (such as the box Ukyou is holding), and likely would have gotten to 'approve' if it had a subject matter that went further than 'just another image about big boobs'.
Mikaeri said:
Although I do understand your concerns, your standard shouldn't be by what content was approved in the past, but what content is currently approved/accepted now.
Thanks to the lack of consistently-applied rules, however, the fact that standards shift being confusing for some is entirely understanding.
NWSiaCB said:
Thanks to the lack of consistently-applied rules, however, the fact that standards shift being confusing for some is entirely understanding.
Yup. Although right now the queue has been as healthy as it's ever been in years, going just by what was deemed 'acceptable' in the past. It was pretty "meh" tier for years until NOOU got demoted, then it went to being really difficult during Provence's tenure, and now with the new promotions it's gone back to almost perfectly level (in my opinion).
Of course, now the main concern is how to clean up those past images that would have otherwise not made it now. There are only a few users that are making an active effort to garden the gallery, but given the heft of it it might grow to be an impossibly large task. Who knows.
provence. said:
At least it helped to promote 7 new Janitors which were picked after I talked to Albert to relative inactivity in the queue.
Yeah, I know. We're not talking about that now though, it's just how it was back then, whether people liked it or didn't like it. There were a handful of posts regarding those concerns (that the queue was receiving little review) that you know of, that we've even contributed to ourselves. Of course, much less complaining now, but it was something to note back then.
The number of approvers (and please, let's call them approvers since Janitor = dead deal) is now something like 68, and plus we did receive some fresh blood. Not sure how active they'll be, but any help is appreciated just as long as they don't start approving duplicates/samples.
EDIT: That's that, end of OT
nanami said:
Leaving out the approved third post, the first two are sketchy and simplistic with not much else for them. We already have so many pictures of Warspite drinking tea and cowboy shots of pretty much all characters. They aren’t bad and simply being a sketch doesn’t warrant deletion, but they aren’t good either and didn’t catch anyone’s fancy.
Well, Teruzuki’s face looks a bit off, but that’s a minor issue that could be overlooked if there was anything else interesting about the picture. The Warspite picture is a bit odd because it’s fairly detailed above the shoulders, especially the hair, except for the crown, while everything below the shoulders is pretty rough. The necklace is especially bad.
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Alot of my posts keep getting deleted can someone give me any advice?
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The first one has questionable proportions overall, with what appears to be very long arms with large hands, small shoulders, and an expanded ribcage for her big boobs. The second one falls under the grotesque part of the TOS due to the gigantic breasts, which is not helped by how sketchy it looks and her hips being at level with her elbows. The fourth one, I'm not so sure about, but I guess the traditional art style doesn't really work with how Isaki Tanaka drew Hoppo there.
The former gets flagged for perceived problems that are only a part of the perspective without somehow ruining the artwork outright, approved, then hastily flagged again by the approver after they were told to do a "quality check" on their own approved posts (forum #130998, forum #131033). The latter gets flagged 4 days after upload for a similar reason as the former, but only on the same day the parent was flagged again.
Given those details and that other images featuring this copyright were flagged during that time period, I'm going to call the intentions behind the flagging into question. Because it should be asked if these were flagged because they were actually totally terrible pictures that should be deleted from general view, or if they were flagged simply because said flagger has a personal issue with seeing any post under the wendy's tag.
The original parent seemed popular enough, as are select other posts under wendy's, divisive meme or otherwise. And nearly every one of those flagged images were reapproved. So I'm not convinced of the idea that these posts, which don't even have much of a presence outside of that one set recently uploaded, are like some malignant tumor on the site.
To be honest, that is not the only flag with a detached ass from the upper body. So there are actually quality concerns about this post. To be honest, I fail to draw the line of the back in this post, it seems to me that it might be arched too far to achieve that both parts are still connected. Thoe things might have been already tagged, but to me, the initial flag reason makes complete sense.
If the re-flag is ok...well, one should always ask oneself how the feedback was also written, because when it was written then nearly no post of the approver has been flagged and/or was deleted. So this might have been a hasty reaction from the feedback giver and it caused an avalanche-like reaction.