post #2666977 is a little too simple. It doesn't have anything seriously dragging it down, but nothing really recommending it, either. If the shading or pose were more dynamic or it had anything really to say other than "this is an anime character chibi", I would have leaned towards approving.
post #2666988 is... harder to say. EB has already approved it, so obviously, it is the sort of thing that can get approved, normally. I'm thinking that maybe someone who's really strict on anatomy didn't like the (character) right upper arm (which is a bit short), and gave it a "poorly drawn", and that made the rest of the approvers a little shyer about approving it.
I have a decent number of posts where I'm confused as to why they were deleted.
A LOT of your posts are of mediocre quality to start with. Add to that that a lot of your posts are just a character in front of a white background with no real context or substance, and you don't have many posts that rise above that mediocrity. (In fact, looking at it, I'm kind of surprised so much of your stuff IS approved.)
To quote myself from another thread:
NWSiaCB said:
And Iridescent Slime is right - there are more things in consideration than flat artistic skill, alone. Sweetpea likes to talk about it in terms of a point scale, where if an image winds up with a positive score, it gets approved. So you start with a score from artistic skill, then add or subtract points for different things like bad anatomy, good composition, and whether or not the image actually manages to be entertaining in some way, and the overall score determines whether you approve it or not. This post, for example, was likely deleted in spite of being technically passible because it's just the same character about which we have plenty of pictures just standing there in front of a blank white space. This post, however, has the character actually doing something in a setting with actual context that makes it more amusing and worthwhile as something to look at while already browsing images of that character. This post, meanwhile, is a fine art parody, which makes it amusing enough that I'd approve it in spite of having some awkward art style. (Not that I had a choice in that one, it was uploaded by an unlimited uploads user.) Likewise, I will approve comics of much lower artistic merit if they're funny or tell an interesting dramatic story because those elements will add a significant positive score to counterbalance the negatives of generally hastily-done artwork.
When looking at a work, you should look for certain tells of new artists that will drive approvers away. post #2664971 is a good example of the sort of stiff pose (early artist career lack of familiarity with anatomy), no context, and filler background that keeps approvers from approving things. post #2657248 is another really awkward pose.
Besides that, you need to keep anatomy in mind, as well. I've even gotten burned approving some of your works with dramatic perspective.post #2656049 and post #2656054 are also in the list of dangerous poses to approve because reiyasona is going to just flag it if you approve it, anyway. (Which is probably where some of the "poor quality" votes on your uploads come from.) post #2667729, meanwhile, is a "derp face" with eyes spaced far apart.
To use a line I've seen in some feedbacks of other users, don't just upload anything that isn't total crap, and take the time to find actual good stuff. We have TONS of images of just random artists uploading doodles of their favorite characters facing the camera with no background, and don't need more generic stuff. Try to look for something that's interesting in some way, or at least passes a much higher threshold of baseline artistic quality.
I have a decent number of posts where I'm confused as to why they were deleted.
Several of those are rather bad. Several of the others are just bland and boring. Have a look at the on-topic topic #13866.
I’m not an approver, but see below if you want my terse personal opinion on those posts.
Individual feedback
post #2670064 - rather bland and boring; sketchy lines and simple shading post #2667834 - bland and boring; bad hand post #2667732 - bland and boring; face/head looks off, though I can’t immediately point out why post #2667729 - bland and boring; her left eye is too far over and tries to merge with her ear post #2667727 - bland and boring, seems to be a trend with this artist post #2664979 - bad art, probably just amateurish (lines, shading, hand) post #2664971 - not as bad as the previous, but those legs... post #2664969 - this is just bad/very amateurish post #2660681 - What’s with those hands? post #2659606 - amateurish execution of that pose and the shading post #2659573 - amateurish shading and hands post #2657274 - Aside from the hands, I don’t see any other faults at first glance. Nothing that makes me say “I need this on this site” either. post #2657248 - face looks off; amateurish shading post #2656129 - lines; shading post #2656085 - lines; shading; jarring depth-of-field effect post #2656054 - lines; shading; jarring depth-of-field effect; bad hands, leg and foot post #2656049 - poor anatomy of pelvis and legs; face looks off even when taking the turned head into account; misplaced ear post #2656046 - this is just bad post #2656045 - ... and so is this post #2654365 - bland and boring plush sketchy lines post #2654363 - My first thought was “This looks amateurish. Is this one of his older works?” And guess what: It is. post #2650325 - Not sure. Looks like Pop’s older style done wrong. post #2649347 - ... even more so here. post #2649340 - looks just bad, but can’t exactly point out why
Btw, might want to reduce the amount of posts you appeal...
... and in the over 20 minutes I spent looking at those posts, NWSiaCB replied already. :-/
Pretty much in full agreement with the above two. It's fine to upload an artist's older works, but just because the artist has put out a lot of good, new content doesn't make any of his old works more worth uploading (unless perhaps for reference purposes). A lot of normal users will pay attention to what makes an image cute (vibrant colors/shading, eyes and facial features) and favorite on just those things but for other users, typically those that have seen a LOT of mediocre and good art alike, they tend to not get interested in works that are very cut-and-paste.
The only time I will usually ever approve or upload classic, full body or cowboy shot reference poses is when the artist has shown a clear mastery of it and it offers something unique and attractive to the table. post #2559776, for example, is very classic tachi-e but nothing feels jarring looking at it. post #2664971 in comparison, you can tell straight off the bat the uncomfortable thigh gap and the fact that the legs look very 'unbalanced' (in respect to each thigh and in comparison to the upper body).
It's not to say that anatomy should be the only thing, but we take it in larger consideration given that it's one of those things that immediately throws off an image if noticed.
EDIT: Well, I was writing a reply to follow up on his first, so it's all okay right ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
post #2659909 , this is fan art of a JAPANESE actress in character from a western film based on TOKU, KAIJU and vintage anime super robot shows. Somebody even posted that it was "off topic" and that it "breaks the rules", when there are other similar realistic pieces of the very same character. Is Deviant Art banned here?
I've noticed a lot of my recent posts have been deleted for the past few days and I think I know why. This may sound weird but I aware I haven't been uploading the most quality art, and my explanation is that I'm uploading pictures from series I like, sometimes I even ignore the quality (post #2667312 ,post #2667313 ,post #2670900 ,post #2672196) but I wouldn't say I ignore all together. I'm aware of the quality standards for this site and I look to deliver on those accounts. One problem I have with uploading is that the art I look for is almost always on this site, there's rarely any new piece of artwork I can upload because somebody already uploaded it, but that's not to say that I'm blaming them because they're "hoggin' all the uploads". I only try to find pieces of artwork that I think people will like and something that I like, most of the time. My current pending artwork is official art for The King of Fighters (post #2674877,post #2675254 ,post #2675282) and are uploads I'm thinking will be deleted (which I'm not too thrilled about but it's fine). One post that I have a question about is this one post #2668776. I would like to know why this one wasn't approved of (if I can have an explanation).
I've noticed a lot of my recent posts have been deleted for the past few days and I think I know why. This may sound weird but I aware I haven't been uploading the most quality art, and my explanation is that I'm uploading pictures from series I like, sometimes I even ignore the quality (post #2667312 ,post #2667313 ,post #2670900 ,post #2672196) but I wouldn't say I ignore all together. I'm aware of the quality standards for this site and I look to deliver on those accounts. One problem I have with uploading is that the art I look for is almost always on this site, there's rarely any new piece of artwork I can upload because somebody already uploaded it, but that's not to say that I'm blaming them because they're "hoggin' all the uploads". I only try to find pieces of artwork that I think people will like and something that I like, most of the time. My current pending artwork is official art for The King of Fighters (post #2674877,post #2675254 ,post #2675282) and are uploads I'm thinking will be deleted (which I'm not too thrilled about but it's fine). One post that I have a question about is this one post #2668776. I would like to know why this one wasn't approved of (if I can have an explanation).
That's a pretty long ramble to get to a "nevermind, I want to talk about just this one thing"...
But to answer the complaint(?) that occupied most of the paragraph, just being from one series or another, or even being official art isn't a reason for approval. That King of Fighters set you posted is mostly just boring character standing in front of a blank white void stuff that has the same problem that Kagerou Pic Bot's works, above, had.
The last one, with Sonic, is a different case, and that's one I actually had to sit there looking over for a few minutes before eventually deciding on "Not Interested". Composition-wise, it definitely has something recommending it. I ultimately think it lacks enough detail, and has a bit too "geometric" a design to really push me over the line in terms of approving it. With that said, it's definitely not the wrong road to go down trying to find more things in that vein, rather than just picking over official art.
I can't speak for other approvers who use different metrics, but some other approvers I know just don't really care for that watercolor style as a thing, so there's a few "not interested"s from that, alone.
There are tons of pixiv artists that are undiscovered, especially if you are not just looking over the same Kantai Collection stuff as everyone else. In fact, I'm kind of stretched trying to find time to upload a lot of comics series that are languishing semi-forgotten, but people want to try to race me for some of the daily uploads of a more popular series. The thing is, people go looking for gold in all the places everyone has already mined out. If you want to find under-represented characters, just go to pixiv searching the tags of those characters, and keep flipping through pages until you find something that strikes you as genuinely good, rather than just 'good enough'.
There are tons of pixiv artists that are undiscovered, especially if you are not just looking over the same Kantai Collection stuff as everyone else. In fact, I'm kind of stretched trying to find time to upload a lot of comics series that are languishing semi-forgotten, but people want to try to race me for some of the daily uploads of a more popular series. The thing is, people go looking for gold in all the places everyone has already mined out. If you want to find under-represented characters, just go to pixiv searching the tags of those characters, and keep flipping through pages until you find something that strikes you as genuinely good, rather than just 'good enough'.
This. Absolutely this. There are countless artists that don't have their new works uploaded yet (or even their good older works) that are constantly putting out good content. They at the very least deserve a few bookmarks or ratings.
Luckily pixiv makes it easy to also just go on an 'adventure', as I call it, where you just sift through "recommended" posts on the bookmark page after you bookmark a work. Sometimes, you might just find a gem that's only recently been picking up in popularity (100-200 stars) and it's really good, or at the very least safely past the borderline.
I have piles upon piles of tabs saved for uploading later when I feel like it, and I practically never run out... My greater fear, actually, is seeing those works go deleted so I chunk down on the ones I know have a high likelihood of going lost given the artist's habits.
EDIT: Protip by the way, something that largely goes unnoticed if you don't have pixiv premium is you can search the milestone tags (things like アイマス1000users入り or オリジナル1000users入り).
That's a pretty long ramble to get to a "nevermind, I want to talk about just this one thing"...
But to answer the complaint(?) that occupied most of the paragraph, just being from one series or another, or even being official art isn't a reason for approval. That King of Fighters set you posted is mostly just boring character standing in front of a blank white void stuff that has the same problem that Kagerou Pic Bot's works, above, had.
The last one, with Sonic, is a different case, and that's one I actually had to sit there looking over for a few minutes before eventually deciding on "Not Interested". Composition-wise, it definitely has something recommending it. I ultimately think it lacks enough detail, and has a bit too "geometric" a design to really push me over the line in terms of approving it. With that said, it's definitely not the wrong road to go down trying to find more things in that vein, rather than just picking over official art.
I can't speak for other approvers who use different metrics, but some other approvers I know just don't really care for that watercolor style as a thing, so there's a few "not interested"s from that, alone.
There are tons of pixiv artists that are undiscovered, especially if you are not just looking over the same Kantai Collection stuff as everyone else. In fact, I'm kind of stretched trying to find time to upload a lot of comics series that are languishing semi-forgotten, but people want to try to race me for some of the daily uploads of a more popular series. The thing is, people go looking for gold in all the places everyone has already mined out. If you want to find under-represented characters, just go to pixiv searching the tags of those characters, and keep flipping through pages until you find something that strikes you as genuinely good, rather than just 'good enough'.
I had a feeling my post was a bit long-winded. lol Thank you for your critique.
@NWSiaCB said: And Iridescent Slime is right - there are more things in consideration than flat artistic skill, alone. Sweetpea likes to talk about it in terms of a point scale, where if an image winds up with a positive score, it gets approved. So you start with a score from artistic skill, then add or subtract points for different things like bad anatomy, good composition, and whether or not the image actually manages to be entertaining in some way, and the overall score determines whether you approve it or not. This post, for example, was likely deleted in spite of being technically passible because it's just the same character about which we have plenty of pictures just standing there in front of a blank white space. This post, however, has the character actually doing something in a setting with actual context that makes it more amusing and worthwhile as something to look at while already browsing images of that character. This post, meanwhile, is a fine art parody, which makes it amusing enough that I'd approve it in spite of having some awkward art style. (Not that I had a choice in that one, it was uploaded by an unlimited uploads user.) Likewise, I will approve comics of much lower artistic merit if they're funny or tell an interesting dramatic story because those elements will add a significant positive score to counterbalance the negatives of generally hastily-done artwork.
Oh boy, better clarify this glaring misunderstanding. This is something I liked about Provence...when he referenced me he'd give an @sweetpeɐ (may change this name soon just fyi) so I'd know when someone is saying I said something.
This is NOT how I evaluate images. I think how I assess an image is probably fairly conventional in that it's not a procedural or weighted check. I've not turned approving images into a cold science, it's mostly filtering through crap, making gut judgements and checking against rules, and somewhat following the "approve things you like" dictum which I assume it to rub of some taste and unique perspective.
But yes I have suggested weighted points systems, for determining if an image should be called "Western", and it's not a qualitative judgement either. This is my suggested standard for determining whether an image should go through "higher scrutiny" as mentioned by the TOS and you can read about it on the Doom pic or in the last forum discussion on Western art. That discussion ended fruitless however considering we can't even come to an agreement on what a western image is.
That being said I've been busy with some real life things so I've not been able to read all the posts in this thread. I may weigh in some but I just had to correct this misrepresentation of my views.
Is there something fundamentally wrong with lumineko's or melisaongmiqin's art style that gets them such a high proportion of deletions?
Yes, or rather no. It’s not really the style, it’s the quality.
lumineko is pretty much at the border of acceptance and most is just below the border. A few ones are barely acceptable. I suggest you’re more careful with that artist.
melisaongmiqin is just bad. I recommend not uploading anything from that artist anymore. The two approved posts are still below the threshold in my opinion, but I guess they tickled some approvers’ fancy.
If you can’t see what’s wrong with melisaongmiqin’s posts, you probably don’t understand what we’re looking for. That would explain the amount of mediocre or bad art you upload and your high deletion rate.
Oh boy, better clarify this glaring misunderstanding.
Sorry to have caused you offense. I said that a bit wrong, but I was just using that point scale you had come up with regarding not-anime-related as a more concrete metaphor of my own weighting of factors in judging art.
Sorry to have caused you offense. I said that a bit wrong, but I was just using that point scale you had come up with regarding not-anime-related as a more concrete metaphor of my own weighting of factors in judging art.
That's fine and I took no offense. I also forgot to mention also that although I don't do it, I don't have a problem with uploaders creating formal point scales to help them judge an image; it could prove useful.
I would say it's more along the lines of western-artstyle and that wish-washy hyper-realism of facial features gives off an uncanny valley feeling. With anime characters, they can be so distinctly non-real that features like big heads and eyes are a part of their identity, but if you wanna go realistic, you need to go all the way or not at all if you want to succeed.
Refer to ilya_kuvshinov for a good balance between realism and anime, with minimalism of facial features like the general omission of the philtral ridge and simplification of lip shapes.
