Literally nobody knows what is "otokonoko". Nobody. Even who watch anime.
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pixellewd said:
Honestly crazy to see it being reversed to trap in 2025 considering how dated it is. I struggle to see how it is more reasonable to learn this American meme term that has been replaced in general anime fan circles for half a decade than the more accurate, still used in Japan, less controversial term of otokonoko. If you have to learn a term in the first place, I strongly believe the less harmful and more accurate term should be used even if you have to learn it. I think arguing what terms other tagging sites use is mostly silly as a lot of those are only like that because they originate from a past era
People were using the otoko no ko tag to cover a broader category than what trap was intended for. If otokonoko is used as a catch-all for cute boys and not specifically the concept of falling for the "trap" of the "girl" actually being a boy, then it is not more accurate than trap. It covers a related but more general concept.
Blank_User said:
People were using the otoko no ko tag to cover a broader category than what trap was intended for. If otokonoko is used as a catch-all for cute boys and not specifically the concept of falling for the "trap" of the "girl" actually being a boy, then it is not more accurate than trap. It covers a related but more general concept.
I can understand that at least to an extent. However I can't help but feel it gets a bit dicey when we go by a "tag what you see, not what you know" system regarding canonically trans female characters considering the term is considered derogatory. While you could argue that calling them male in the first place is equally bad, I can't help but disagree considering it still isn't as charged. (I have my own issues with the way that system is selectively applied but I way prefer that to using a term many take offense to). (Tbh most annoying part will just be having to split posts between two tags ^^,
pixellewd said:
(Tbh most annoying part will just be having to split posts between two tags ^^,
The solution I think would work is by implying both trap and girly boy to otokonoko. This would prevent the need for a tag split and also allow otokonoko to be used on posts that fit neither tag (such as post #10170834). However, we can't do that right now because of its (and otoko no ko's) current use as an alias for trap and otoko no ko's history as the main tag for the past decade. And because trap is so controversial, I can imagine some users typing in otoko no ko to ease their own consciences, thus ensuring the alias won't expire on its own.
That said, I do think it's possible to convert otokonoko to an umbrella tag despite this. The only real risk is that trap end up undertagged due to users using the umbrella tag for them, but we have other users that I'm sure would be willing to look through the otokonoko posts and tag trap as needed.
Blank_User said:
However, we can't do that right now because of its (and otoko no ko's) current use as an alias for trap and otoko no ko's history as the main tag for the past decade. And because trap is so controversial, I can imagine some users typing in otoko no ko to ease their own consciences, thus ensuring the alias won't expire on its own.
this is an issue, but in my mind it's the other way around. the primary argument for changing back to trap is that trap would be closest to what the tag is really about, and yet we still have two other terms that don't accurately describe what the tag is really about - otoko no ko and femboy - still aliased. it makes the whole decision to rename to trap look like a solution in search of a problem.
if anything, both of these terms would be much better off as names for the hypothetical new umbrella tag, with one aliased to the other.
wingdings said:
if anything, both of these terms would be much better off as names for the hypothetical new umbrella tag, with one aliased to the other.
I actually fully agree with this. (sorry for the late reply) Femboy as an umbrella tag sounds a lot better to me with trap being more specific. I still don't love the term but I think it is way more reasonable and makes it unnecessary to use the tag unless you would want to be more specific.
BUR #50399 has been rejected.
create alias trap_(actual_trap) -> booby_trap
i actually assumed there was no tag for actual traps since trap was taken by something else so maybe this should be a utility alias?
btw is it just me or booby trap sounds like male with breasts?
btw this thread keeps popping up and i still believe it's such a garbage tag for reasons like above. like if you wanted to have a parent tag for all sorts of traps it would have to be called trap_(trap) to disambiguate it
like... if this tag didn't exist and i decided to start tagging these posts "trap" and i wrote that wiki, the trap tag would be nuked within 30 minutes
if the posts in the trap tag were actually trapping (mtf) then i'd have no problem with it, but you probably wouldn't be able to find 10 posts that could be tagged with that just like i can't find any posts to tag with rapebaiting. it's like autoacrotomophilia. the fetish is so high level that people can't even comprehend that this is a thing that could actually exist as a fetish
i don't know why normies can't just learn a single japanese word but for the love of god just change it to feminine boy or something so can this thread can die in peace
You realize that by putting BURs that are unlikely to be approved in the thread, there's a good chance it will be bumped a month and a half later, right? And it's been explained multiple times why trap and feminine boy are not equivalent, not to mention that the latter sounds much too similar to girly boy.
Using trap_(trap) or trap_(actual_trap) just moves the ambiguity one space over. If the word "trap" is the ambiguity, how does saying that word again in brackets without disambiguation resolve that? booby_trap is fine.
The bulk update request #50399 (forum #397440) has been rejected by @trapster77.
Blank_User said:
You realize that by putting BURs that are unlikely to be approved in the thread, there's a good chance it will be bumped a month and a half later, right? And it's been explained multiple times why trap and feminine boy are not equivalent, not to mention that the latter sounds much too similar to girly boy.
oh my god you're right. well everyone is downvoting it anyway so i rejected it myself.
girly sounds bubbly compared to feminine boy so i think it's fine
CrossbowArcanePlus said:
how does saying that word again in brackets without disambiguation resolve that?
it kind of does inside my head
pixellewd said:
I can understand that at least to an extent. However I can't help but feel it gets a bit dicey when we go by a "tag what you see, not what you know" system regarding canonically trans female characters considering the term is considered derogatory. While you could argue that calling them male in the first place is equally bad, I can't help but disagree considering it still isn't as charged. (I have my own issues with the way that system is selectively applied but I way prefer that to using a term many take offense to). (Tbh most annoying part will just be having to split posts between two tags ^^,
We can't punish people for crimes that haven't happened yet. If what you said comes to happen, all that would be needed to do is change the tags accordingly.