[Honkai: Star Rail] Costume implications

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BUR #49140 has been approved by @evazion.

create implication aglaea_(alternate_spacetime)_(honkai:_star_rail) -> aglaea_(honkai:_star_rail)
create implication anaxa_(alternate_spacetime)_(honkai:_star_rail) -> anaxa_(honkai:_star_rail)
create implication castorice_(alternate_spacetime)_(honkai:_star_rail) -> castorice_(honkai:_star_rail)
create implication cerydra_(alternate_spacetime)_(honkai:_star_rail) -> cerydra_(honkai:_star_rail)
create implication cipher_(alternate_spacetime)_(honkai:_star_rail) -> cipher_(honkai:_star_rail)
create implication hysilens_(alternate_spacetime)_(honkai:_star_rail) -> hysilens_(honkai:_star_rail)
create implication mydei_(alternate_spacetime)_(honkai:_star_rail) -> mydei_(honkai:_star_rail)
create implication phainon_(alternate_spacetime)_(honkai:_star_rail) -> phainon_(honkai:_star_rail)

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Hah, the bot beat me to making the BUR.

This is a set of quasi-official costumes from a promo art series that got some fanart traction. I'm not 100% confident on the tag name, so if anyone with actual Chinese knowledge wants to suggest another name, feel free.

Both are pointless. Her name was never changed, Dahlia is a title, leave it as a factoid in the wiki. This should only be revisited after story text is out to figure out what she'll be more commonly referred to as which may also be the basis for what most artists will be calling her, up to and including her Pixiv tag.

Bronya Rand is called "Bronya" in-game.
Gepard Landau is called "Gepard" in-game. Same with Lynx Landau and Serval Landau.
Sampo Koski is called "Sampo" in-game.
Cocolia Rand is called "Cocolia" in-game. Her last name isn't used except in rare circumstances.
Phantylia is just "Phantylia" without her title of "the Undying".

That's not a strict rule, nor has it ever been one. Danbooru tags don't need to match exactly what it is in-game; only what makes sense or what's the common name. Some characters use their full name because it's available even though arguably last names are as important as Genshin Impact last names (they aren't which is why they aren't used).

Titles aren't meant to be used as proper names. We use the playable name for all characters because that's what their name is in the first place. Constance's name isn't "Dahlia", that's her title. We don't alias titles to any of the playable characters. It's not that we're "stopping"; like I said, her name was never changed in the first place.

That's all just adding names in the case of the playable characters; we don't have anyone where you couldn't find their character tag just by searching for their ingame playable name. I think there should certainly be an alias in some direction because someone is going to want to look at art of the character they just pulled on the gacha referred to as "The Dahlia".

They don't have aliases. Also, as Arcie did point out in forum #394322, Genshin Impact also has a character named Dahlia (Genshin Impact), so if anything such an alias would just be more confusing when both games which are popular in their own right (though Genshin much more so) are releasing characters with the same "name" at around the same time. That provides an even stronger justification to wait things out first before giving the alias. I can't even say "people will want to find the woman more" since Genshin Impact has a considerable number of its male characters that get posted and searched for regularly.

Speaking from my own point of view, all materials I've seen of Constance (and the Everflame Mansion altogether) more often used "Constance" than they did "Dahlia" so there's already considerable precedent. People tend to use a name more unless the codename or title are more common that it becomes synonymous with the character rather than an alternate form of address.

When all playable characters' names match their proper name then it becomes easy to leave that as the footnote, but whenever a character breaks convention as Constance (Honkai: Star Rail) now does, it's important to truly consider whether or not the alias is going to be properly worth it. This early on, we don't have enough information to make a proper conclusion about that. This definitely won't be the last time such a consideration has to be made either.

This is the same philosophy I approach Honkai Impact 3rd tag names and aliases with. For consistency the current expectation is to use full names without qualifiers until it's either ambiguous or a codename has more precedence than an actual name. This means that not all characters match their in-game names.

I'm fine with waiting a bit to decide which direction the alias should go in, but ultimately I believe we're going to want an alias in one direction or another. The name of the playable unit is almost certainly going to get searched for, and unlike with Bronya Rand and the other given examples "Dahlia" is nowhere in the current tag name so it won't come up when you're typing it.

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