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The Breast Reformation Thread

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Just throwing this out there, but when small breasts was decided to be brought back as a tag (it was originally aliased to flat chest), there were no bulk updates done then (topic #9228). We first decided on a definition of what constituted small breasts, and then a couple of enthusiastic tag gardeners went to work adding the tag manually.

I just think it'll be hard to come up with any tag query that won't have a lot of false positives since as it's been stated, it relies on accurate tagging which we know isn't always the case. However, using the tag script function should make the job a whole lot easier since it will be evident from the thumbnail in a majority of posts on whether the breasts are average sized or not.

BrokenEagle98 said:

Just throwing this out there, but when small breasts was decided to be brought back as a tag (it was originally aliased to flat chest), there were no bulk updates done then (topic #9228). We first decided on a definition of what constituted small breasts, and then a couple of enthusiastic tag gardeners went to work adding the tag manually.

That thread gave me some good insights on past breast related definition changes. Thank you for bringing this to my attention!

I gathered some interesting material from over there that could be relevant for this discussion:

S1eth said:

Toks said:
But we don't implicate gigantic_breasts and huge_breasts to large_breasts, even though they are logically subsets.

They are a subset of the breasts tag which specifies breasts of any size > 1/3 of the character's head. Gigantic_breasts is essentially only needed to keep track of ToS violations.

Has there been a definition like this? I couldn't find it in the history of breasts or tag group:breasts tags.

BrokenEagle98 said:

I would just like to throw in my two cents. I think small breasts should be anything that is greater than "flat as a board" for post-pubescent characters, and less than normal sized breasts. What are normal sized breasts? Well, too me, if any part of the breast would hang over a hand if it is placed immediately beneath the breast, I would constitute that as greater than or equal to normal. This also makes it relatively easy to to a visual comparison most of the time. If you look at all of the posts that Toks originally posted, they all meet this criteria, i.e. larger than flat, but not enough to hang:

post #1362392
post #1357791
post #1343910
post #1366283

Greater than or equal to normal sized breasts that also meet the criteria above, i.e. enough to hang:

post #1389981
post #1374196 (Girl on left, small breasts; Girl on right, normal breasts)
post #1387173
post #1385263

There are, of course, going to be gray areas with this, but unless you can actually do measurements on the characters, which we can't, it's always going to be subjective. That's not a big deal though, because the difference between normal, large, huge and gigantic is already subjective, so there wouldn't be anything new about it.

Good comparison of breasts and small_breasts, in my eyes.

Comparison based on post #2168938.

BrokenEagle98 said:

I just think it'll be hard to come up with any tag query that won't have a lot of false positives since as it's been stated, it relies on accurate tagging which we know isn't always the case. However, using the tag script function should make the job a whole lot easier since it will be evident from the thumbnail in a majority of posts on whether the breasts are average sized or not.

Choosing the the quality over quantity approach is completely fine with me. But of course it'll take time (and a lot of work on user side) for the new medium_breasts tag to establish its position.

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reiyasona said:

Action plan:

  • Wish me good luck on tagging the backlog manually. xD

Well, I'd definitely help you out with this if you give me a concrete description what to do^^. Since you seem to have a good plan here.

Oh, and btw. +1 for these implication if a request is made.

tapnek said:

Honestly, I'm fine with the way things are but I guess a medium breasts tag would be good for those who can't search more than two tags at a time.

There are some more advantages:

reiyasona said:

Remaining issue I:

The breasts tag is used as both a generalization (above scenario) and a specialization (distinct breast size: "average medium breasts").

If a Danbooru user wants to search for media containing average medium sized breasts, he will have to use the blacklist or create a query with exclusions (e.g. breasts -flat_chest -small_breasts -large_breasts -huge_breasts -gigantic_breasts).
But this would also exclude posts with constellations like: multiple_girls, breasts, large_breasts : (

Creating an average_breasts medium_breasts tag would make this easier.

reiyasona said:

So why do I think this new logic is easy to understand and therefore user friendly?
Let me give you a few examples:

  • A lazy or inexperienced user can still use the breasts tag to mark the general existence of breasts in a post without bothering to determine the size.
  • A more experienced user can better determine the tagging quality of an image containing breasts, i.e., notice large breasts or small breasts that are clearly medium-sized (or vice versa).
  • A user can just search for girls with medium-sized breasts without further ado. He would also be able to find them in constellations where one girls has larger breasts and another has medium_breasts (refer to "Remaining issue I" in my opening post).

As far as a definition goes for the wiki, they are pretty well defined for small and large breasts, so just use a combination of both.

Small Breasts
...Breasts are normal-sized or greater if any part of the breast would hang over a hand if it is placed immediately beneath the breast...

Large Breasts
...If a single breast is of roughly similar volume in comparison to its owner's head...

So, if a breast looks like it has enough material to hang over a hand if placed underneath the breast, yet it it less than the size of the person's head, then it would be classified as medium breast.

There is of course subjectivity involved, but there's no getting around that since these are pictures and it is impossible to actually measure the girls.

Provence said:

Well, I'd definitely help you out with this if you give me a concrete description what to do^^. Since you seem to have a good plan here.

Oh, and btw. +1 for these implication if a request is made.

I will gladly take you up on that offer. :D

I cleaned up the wiki entry a little. I don't think there's a need to spell out the subjectivity part in the wiki entry itself, since many of the tags on Danbooru are already subjective to a degree (hair length, hair color, type of clothing, etc). I also fixed the small breasts wiki and large breasts wiki.

Also, if the implication gets approved, the breasts wiki will have to be updated as well.

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BrokenEagle98 said:

I cleaned up the wiki entry a little. I don't think there's a need to spell out the subjectivity part in the wiki entry itself, since many of the tags on Danbooru are already subjective to a degree (hair length, hair color, type of clothing, etc). I also fixed the small breasts wiki and large breasts wiki.

Also, if the implication gets approved, the breasts wiki will have to be updated as well.

Good work!

Okay then, let's wait for the higher-ups to make a decision.

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NWF_Renim said:

The bulk update request #783 has been approved.

Nice!

BrokenEagle98 said:

I updated the breasts and tag group:breasts tags wikis. Now all that's left is to populate the medium breasts tag.

Provence and I plan to work as a team to populate the medium breasts tag.

I propose the following tag gardening approach:

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I would say that this would be pretty good especially when I consider that this tag will have a large amount after doing some tag gardening and this is a whole new tag.
We also have some Contributors here that don't use that tag yet and they should go ahead with good example when it comes to tagging.

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