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bunkhead said:

Bullshit. Best Gundam is a three-way tie between Barbatos Lupus Rex, Wing Zero Custom, and 00 XN Raiser. Maybe four-way with either Calibarn or Scwarzette.

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-banger psychommu head antenna option that looks like they ripped an angel figurehead straight off of a ship
-thicc thighs
-massive dong
-long range melee claw attack with huge a hitbox that instantly redlines any ACS bar
-insane number of variations
-has mobile armor equipment so large that it'd be a kit around 2 meters tall at 1/144 scale
-is named after this guy

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    Incineration said:

    That's still super wrong.

    No. Simply put, without the first series there would not be any franchise at all. All the subsequent tropes, even those from your adored Mercury Witch, came from the original. Each and every series is basically a reboot of the original. The first one is the legend from which every other story took an element from. First Gundam is best Gundam. Amen.

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    Arbalecht said:

    the skin is too dark for a Japanese woman. not Nagatoro, this is tagged wrong

    im ngl the only way anime studios or manga artists make it so they dont actually have to draw or create a darkskinned character imo is that they make them be super sporty, or 'shes on the swim team, so shes just tanned, blah blah' either way, this is still nagatoro- darker skin or not.

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    Admiral_Shippai said:

    Im getting a bit paranoic or some Blue Archive girls seem way too inspired in some KC shipgirls? Probably has more to do with coincidence in archetypes but this Koharu girl looks a bit similar to Amatsukaze in clothes specially those black stripes around her neck and chest except she seems to be a loli with pervert thoughts(how fitting for a game that initiated the whole cunny meme)

    Mika's behavior makes more sense when you realize who she shares a VA with. Pay attention not just to her appearance, but her voice lines as well.

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    XionGaTaosenai said:

    Pity systems, exp boosts, and rate ups aren't what define a game as a gacha game -

    YES THEY ARE but because those are part of the overall liveservice scheme which gachas are part of.

    Gacha is essentially a monetization model which the user pays with in-game currency to enter a draw in order to obtain the character or item they want. If a player does not obtain what he hoped for, there is the option of paying with his own money for more draws, and this is the main way to monetize the Gacha games. The things you mentioned are literally added to gacha games in order to attract more people into the main gacha system.

    KanColle is far from that, the mechanics around construction dont allow players the chances to obtain what they want even if they pay for it because farming in maps completely makes said construction feature virtually irrelevant for the goal that gachas aim for and completely lacks any other feature like special limited banners or a pity system in order to incentive players into gamble their way throught it. Is oldschool rpg grind and long term planning.

    For example: Gacha games have polls as the center of its gameplay and monetization schemes with motifs, characters, story, rarity bias and even memes being made around it.
    KC has collection, events and ww2 history as the center of its gameplay and monetization(throught mixmedia and collabs) with the construction, the shop, character design and other mechanics being design around it.

    If it was about money KC would just released shimakaze bikini variants on the market snd in the game along with a naked apron Jingei figure for sale in Kotobukiya.

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    CompassRose said:

    Mika's behavior makes more sense when you realize who she shares a VA with. Pay attention not just to her appearance, but her voice lines as well.

    I dont think Hikaru Akao voices anyone in KC, didnt you meant Iida Hikaru who voices Conte and Tamanami?

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    XionGaTaosenai said:

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    Pity systems, exp boosts, and rate ups aren't what define a game as a gacha game - that would be like saying that Overlord isn't an isekai because its protagonist never gets hit by a truck. Any mechanic in a game where you spend a limited resource in order to obtain a randomized reward is a gacha mechanic. If engaging with a gacha mechanic is part of a game's core gameplay loop, with mechanically relevant (as opposed to purely cosmetic) rewards that cannot be obtained via non-randomized means, then that game is a gacha game.

    Ship construction and event rewards in Kantai Collection are randomized, and as far as I know, there is no non-randomized way to obtain the vast majority of shipgirls. I know that the resources you use for construction and running events in KC can be obtained for free via grinding, which is definitely not the norm for a gacha game, but I had assumed that there was some way to obtain resources faster or run events more often by spending real money, encouraging players to pay up in order to "skip the grind" - after some quick research, it seems I might have been wrong about that. Still, it's undeniable that the core design of Kantai Collection revolves around enticing players to "roll" on ship construction and events as much as possible, with new batches of girls added to the game periodically in order to keep players hooked who might otherwise get everything they wanted and stop playing. Whether the goal is to tempt players into spending money or simply to monopolize as much of their time as possible via grinding, the backbone of KC's gameplay loop is still a textbook Skinner Box that uses "waifus" as bait in order to lure players into the box and keep them there. Saying that Kantai Collection is morally above any other gacha game that does the same thing is preposterous.

    It's been years since I had dabbled with KC and while it has a gacha mechanic, I wouldn't really consider it a gacha game in operation. Monetization of the game primarily appears to be through inventory limiting (paying to keep more waifus) and marrying (character stat improvements). Yes you obtain ships and gear through a gacha system, but obtaining resources wasn't so difficult obtain and there was no limited time gacha to make you desperate to spend your resources to use the gacha. If anything the game was designed to really only use the gachas in between events, since players would need to horde resources in preparation for event maps. AL is a truer gacha than KC by having limited time gachas (though again still with a relatively easy to earn currencies) while also having the same inventory limiting and marrying aspects. Even then, they're both imo not a pure gacha since imo their monetization isn't directly through the gacha mechanic but through other routes. Skins, inventory expansions, marrying, etc.

    When I think of a modern pure gacha I think most people imagine those where the gacha is predominantly restricted to currency mostly obtained through purchase where free to earn currency tends to be limited to do the gacha. Games like Genshin Impact are a good example, where there can be a lot of pressure to fork out money to roll for a new limited time character before you have to wait months to potentially have the chance to roll on again, and where even gear is predominantly obtained through gacha mechanics with the best gear locked behind the gacha.

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    XionGaTaosenai said:

    Pity systems, exp boosts, and rate ups aren't what define a game as a gacha game - that would be like saying that Overlord isn't an isekai because its protagonist never gets hit by a truck.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't an Isekai the definition of "A character from reality/another universe end up being in another reality/universe" ? Doesn't need to be hit by a truck or die first before making the jump. Can SAO be considered an Isekai ?

    Ship construction in Kantai Collection are randomized

    Yes

    and event rewards in Kantai Collection are randomized

    No

    and as far as I know, there is no non-randomized way to obtain the vast majority of shipgirls.

    Yes and no. New introduced girls can be a random drop in an Event map, or a Map Reward. But if you're not playing said Event, then you have to wait until said girl can come back. Fortunately, for like 98% of the girls, missing one isn't the end of the world and you can perfectly clear an Event without mandatory ships, it will be more random because you have less odds in your favor.

    I had assumed that there was some way to obtain resources faster or run events more often by spending real money

    There is a way to do that, but boy oh boy even the Devs encourage you to NOT do that because it's absolutely not worth the money. Why spent 100 yens for 200 ressources when you can just setup 4 ships for 90 minutes in a single expedition, and play something else while waiting for them to come back ?

    Saying that Kantai Collection is morally above any other gacha game that does the same thing is preposterous.

    It doesn't bait you with shiny rewards or waifues girls, it all depends on the players' tastes at this point. Kancolle doesn't want your money, it want some form of engagement. How much engagement then more or less determine at which difficulty can you play Events, and guess what ? Even at the lowest difficulty, you will get the new girls anyway, but not the extra equipments that will reward the players that put more efforts and time into developping themselves enough so they can tackle harder difficulties in Events.

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    Myschi said:

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't an Isekai the definition of "A character from reality/another universe end up being in another reality/universe" ? Doesn't need to be hit by a truck or die first before making the jump. Can SAO be considered an Isekai ?

    That's the exact point I was making. There are a lot of tropes like "Truck-Kun" and cheat abilities that have become common enough in modern isekai that they're basically cliche, and if you were asking a modern reader what tropes they associate with isekai those tropes would definitely be near the top of the list, but you don't have to have those tropes specifically in order to qualify as an isekai, and there are plenty of classic and foundational works in the genre (particularly older examples) that lack them. In the same vein, pity mechanics and rate ups are definitely dominant tropes associated with gacha games, but they aren't strictly required in order for a game to count as a gacha game - all you strictly need is a core gameplay loop that simulates the operation of a "virtual gachapon machine".

    Kantai Collection lacks a lot of the features associated with modern gachas, but that's primarily a product of its age and the fact that it was made before developers learned all the tricks to most efficiently bait players into spending money - KC is the "prototype gacha" that walked so that the others could run, and its success is definitely what inspired the glut of gacha games that we see today. KC pioneered the whole idea of a gamified harem fantasy that all of these other gacha games are built around, and while a lot of more recent gacha games have gotten even worse in that regard, I still very much blame KC for starting the snowball rolling in the first place.

    Also, as a Touhou fan who was around to see the initial rise of Kantai Collection, I see a KC fan complaining about whatever the newly popular gacha game is and all I can think is... "first time?"

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    Myony said:

    If that's the case, then why does Naoto literally call her "Nagatoro"?

    My headcanon is that he's racist and all black (and tanned) people look alike to him. He probably walks up to Martin Luther King and goes "oh hi Malcolm X, how goes?" Or walks up to Stephen and goes "hi Django, how's your wife?"

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    ATomeOfForgottenLore said:

    Memes aside, it seems that poor Yumma can't let go of the past. An old flame that won't go out, burns slowly inside.

    I can sympathize with that. I only got over it when I deleted her phone number and had no choice but to forget about her.

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    Blackwash is ok but if someone makes black character white or names this for like ni**atoro, all hell breaks lose and people get harassed.
    Even when pictures like this are clearly race-baiting. Right and middle character straight up racist reference to low-income culture clothing, as if that is how blacks are supposed to be instead of just style of canon nagatoro.

    God I hate that retarded politics have rooted themselves on danbooru and even worse it is increasing daily.

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    gnosha said:

    Blackwash is ok but if someone makes black character white or names this for like ni**atoro, all hell breaks lose and people get harassed.
    Even when pictures like this are clearly race-baiting. Right and middle character straight up racist reference to low-income culture clothing, as if that is how blacks are supposed to be instead of just style of canon nagatoro.

    God I hate that retarded politics have rooted themselves on danbooru and even worse it is increasing daily.

    Hey look another anti-woke person who says abelist words and that supposedly hate politics but they actually love politics, but only their own politics.

    Again, this is just a fanart bro. No need to go on a rant against the perceived harm of blackwashing.

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    cd_young said:

    *Draws a random black thot*
    *Calls it nagatoro*
    *reaps the clicks.*

    Seriously, why do you people fall for this nonsense.

    "Random black thot" I don't know why you would refer to a human woman this way.
    Watch your racism and sexism there bud, we don't need to see that.

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    Arbalecht said:

    I remember when some artist lightened Nessa's(Pokemon) skin to a lighter shade and people rioted about it. so why is this suddenly ok now? This is not Nagatoro and it should not be tagged as such

    Because it's okay when it goes one way but not okay when it goes another.

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    Ants cannot eat chocolate due to the high amount of cocoa powder and caffeine; this last ingredient is particularly toxic for their small digestive system, mainly because they simply cannot digest it properly like we, humans, can do. Is worth to remember we are used to eating highly processed food, thus meaning the chocolate bars you can buy, for example, on convenience stores is filled with a great variety of chemicals and ingredients in order of making the chocolate more delicious and pleasant to our taste; some stimulants like theobromine, phenylethylamine, and others are added to induce cravings in humans, but they are not suitable for insects, and yes, this includes ants.

    For all those reasons, ants can potentially die by merely eating chocolate, and that explains why one of the ants is nervous and why the other is pushing the chocolate aside and is on the verge of tears.

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    Ants cannot eat chocolate due to the high amount of cocoa powder and caffeine; this last ingredient is particularly toxic for their small digestive system, mainly because they simply cannot digest it properly like we, humans, can do. Is worth to remember we are used to eating highly processed food, thus meaning the chocolate bars you can buy, for example, on convenience stores is filled with a great variety of chemicals and ingredients in order of making the chocolate more delicious and pleasant to our taste; some stimulants like theobromine, phenylethylamine, and others are added to induce cravings in humans, but they are not suitable for insects, and yes, this includes ants.

    For all those reasons, ants can potentially die by merely eating chocolate, and that explains why one of the ants is nervous and why the other is pushing the chocolate aside and is on the verge of tears.

    Interesting. Thanks.

    Pity, though ( if one wants to give them a treat... )

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    I’m genuinely surprised this isn’t explored more. There’s all sorts of flagellation

    How is that not channeled more into femdom/findom? Where’s the black chicks whipping their white boi slaves(even though senpai is still Japanese I think?)

    There was that meme dominatrix a few years back, but I’m genuinely shocked that this avenue isn’t explorer more. Maybe it is, and I just haven’t really been looking?

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