DiornoDiovanna said:
Why does this website's voter base keep adding transphobic terminology to its tags
It's only transphobic if it's being used as a derogatory term to describe trans people, which it's not, so...
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Artxe said:
Blame the userbase.
"The problem is that given that a lot of people search for traps, and long-time users have grown to just type otoko no ko, an alias removal at the moment would be pretty bad because people used to the old name would not immediately get the new tag.
(I also want to note that we were still getting thousands of searches a week for "trap" and "femboy" even when it was called ONK, which was one of the many reasons why the tag should've been moved a lot sooner)."Scroll up, from admin
I wish we could've at least gone with "femboy" then. That feels like the least outdated option. Even R34 has posts tagged "femboy" considerably outnumbering posts tagged "trap" these days (311,007 to 92,558, to be specific). And even outside of imageboard tagging femboy is the most widely-used term online for cute, feminine-looking dudes.
MultivitaminCCC said:
And even outside of imageboard tagging femboy is the most widely-used term online for cute, feminine-looking dudes.
This is exactly why femboy was (and still is) a bad idea. The tag is for males that literally look female, not males that simply look cute or feminine.
AngryZapdos said:
This is exactly why femboy was (and still is) a bad idea. The tag is for males that literally look female, not males that simply look cute or feminine.
Sorry, I may have worded my point incorrectly. When I said "cute or feminine" I meant it in the way you're saying, as in a canonically male character that looks female. Like Astolfo, for example. But my point still stands that these days most people would refer to a character like Astolfo as a femboy, so I'm confused as to why we've gone for an outdated and fairly loaded term like "trap" for the tag when I personally haven't seen anyone use that term in years.
feline_lump said:
If this is the stance we're taking on it, shouldn't trans people/characters be removed from this tag?
On the topic of what should and shouldn't be, people are still aggressively tagging male_with_breasts together with trap even though it directly violates multiple guidelines like genderswap and howto:tag.
Ultexia said:
On the topic of what should and shouldn't be, people are still aggressively tagging male_with_breasts together with trap even though it directly violates multiple guidelines like genderswap and howto:tag.
There are a few users who agressively want some posts to be 1boy no matter what. If a character like Bridget is clearly intended to be female from the artist via things like breasts treat it as vandalism and switch it back to 1girl. forum #342486
zetsubousensei said:
There are a few users who agressively want some posts to be 1boy no matter what. If a character like Bridget is clearly intended to be female from the artist via things like breasts treat it as vandalism and switch it back to 1girl. forum #342486
Sometimes I feel like staff could benefit from a tag locking feature of some kind because some of these back and forth wars span over a year at this point...
Confetto said:
Sometimes I feel like staff could benefit from a tag locking feature of some kind because some of these back and forth wars span over a year at this point...
There actually was a feature to lock editing specific posts. I can't remember if it was removed entirely or just taken away from Builders.
zetsubousensei said:
There are a few users who agressively want some posts to be 1boy no matter what. If a character like Bridget is clearly intended to be female from the artist via things like breasts treat it as vandalism and switch it back to 1girl. forum #342486
Fun fact, the image I was thinking of when I made that forum post is still being tag warred to this date, among other similar posts. (it's funny how a good chunk of the problem images are from the same artist, because I know they at least call Bridget a girl, looking through their other artwork)
Hoshino_Yumemi said:
Fun fact, the image I was thinking of when I made that forum post is still being tag warred to this date, among other similar posts. (it's funny how a good chunk of the problem images are from the same artist, because I know they at least call Bridget a girl, looking through their other artwork)
Once again, all those posts have been reverted. This issue needs to be addressed.
@NuclearHellBird why are you adding male with breasts to art that is clearly genderswap? If this was any other character this wouldn't even be a discussion would it? Male with breast should only be added when the artist says the character is a man, these people are drawing Fem!Bridget.
zetsubousensei said:
@NuclearHellBird why are you adding male with breasts to art that is clearly genderswap? If this was any other character this wouldn't even be a discussion would it? Male with breast should only be added when the artist says the character is a man, these people are drawing Fem!Bridget.
Current policy is to only mistag Bridget's gender if transgender_flag is present in the post. Bridget is a man, so he'd be tagged 1boy whenever this condition is not met, and in this general case, applicable posts would also be tagged male_with_breasts as a result when he is depicted with breasts. Sadly, it remains a frequent issue for these posts to be vandalized, @Ultexia above being a very recent prime example, who continues to vandalize these tags even though he has already received a negative feedback and gotten banned for it before.
NuclearHellBird said:
Current policy is to only mistag Bridget's gender if transgender_flag is present in the post. Bridget is a man, so he'd be tagged 1boy whenever this condition is not met, and in this general case, applicable posts would also be tagged male_with_breasts as a result when he is depicted with breasts. Sadly, it remains a frequent issue for these posts to be vandalized, @Ultexia above being a very recent prime example, who continues to vandalize these tags even though he has already received a negative feedback and gotten banned for it before.
"Current policy is to tag Bridget as male unless physical evidence in the image proves otherwise, including the presence of the transgender flag. Non-bodily evidence (e.g. transgender flag) is only relevant to Rating:General posts."
"Physical evidence" in this case refers to stuff like breasts and the like. The transgender flag is just something specifically mentioned.
Hell, the policy even includes the term non-bodily. Which further implies that the aforementioned "physical evidence" mentioned includes bodily features such as breasts and/or a lack of visible male genitalia.
The transgender flag being a prerequisite is only for general posts where it's unclear if the artist is doing genderswap or not.
NuclearHellBird said:
Current policy is to only mistag Bridget's gender if transgender_flag is present in the post. Bridget is a man, so he'd be tagged 1boy whenever this condition is not met, and in this general case, applicable posts would also be tagged male_with_breasts as a result when he is depicted with breasts.
Where are the breasts in post #8255746?
NuclearHellBird said:
Current policy is to only mistag Bridget's gender if transgender_flag is present in the post. Bridget is a man, so he'd be tagged 1boy whenever this condition is not met, and in this general case, applicable posts would also be tagged male_with_breasts as a result when he is depicted with breasts.
Why are those male_with_breasts and not this Dante post #7862532? I feel like you're bending over backwards to tag these posts 1boy, this isn't a male body anymore it's a female body that is not an accurate depiction of the canon design and the artist is clearly intending 1girl. Also can you please link to the post which states Bridget with breasts is 1boy? I see the negative feedback but not a link to that ruling.
howto:tag: "Tag what you see, not what you know. In other words, only tag the visual and factual elements in the image." "This means you should not tag what you know about a character."
genderswap: "This tag can also be applied to a trap if the character is given female traits such as the presence of actual cleavage or the obvious absence of a bulge at the crotch. For reverse traps, the absence of cleavage or presence of a bulge applies."
bridget_(guilty_gear): "Current policy is to tag Bridget as male unless physical evidence in the image proves otherwise"
Choosing to ignore these guidelines and continuing to willingly mistag are actual acts of vandalism. I am guilty of no such thing.
tamuraakemi said:
Where are the breasts in post #8255746?
There is also no bulge.
Updated by Ultexia
zetsubousensei said:
Why are those male_with_breasts and not this Dante post #7862532? I feel like you're bending over backwards to tag these posts 1boy, this isn't a male body anymore it's a female body that is not an accurate depiction of the canon design and the artist is clearly intending 1girl. Also can you please link to the post which states Bridget with breasts is 1boy? I see the negative feedback but not a link to that ruling.
Dante is not typically considered a trap, and he also does not have the policy exception that Bridget does, so it's more clear cut for him. As for the applicable policy, this determination was reached a while ago, around the time that this whole issue started in late 2022, though I don't know if it was ever put into a proper rules page, rather than a wiki than anyone can vandalize and then pretend it's gospel.