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alias girls_frontline -> girls'_frontline

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BUR #5741 has been approved by @evazion.

create alias girls_frontline -> girls'_frontline

Correct name.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sunborn.girlsfrontline.en&hl=en&gl=US
https://gf.sunborngame.com/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girls%27_Frontline

Even the wiki states so.

There are 500+ tags with this mistake, so I'm not going to submit them all right now unless this BUR goes through, as that would be wasted effort if it's rejected. But this is a glaring mistake and we look like cavemen using the wrong spelling. "girls frontline" is nonsense in english.

I have no idea how nobody requested for this to be fixed in all of these years.

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nonamethanks said:

I always passively thought it was an engrish mistake.

The funny part about that is how, when this was brought up on post #2455635 some years ago, this was also mentioned, but in the opposite direction:

wet ass pussy said:

...Personally I will probably not [bring it up in the forum] since a) I know nothing about the copyright and b) I'm guessing these Chinese people have a poor grasp of English and so they might release a promo tomorrow with the apostrophe somewhere else or not even there at all.

Instead, they've been consistent on this the entire time, and have also largely been consistent with in-game name localizations too, sporting some of the best localization within the scene in my eyes. Meanwhile, ironically, due to everyone translating names themselves in advance, it means the community is flush with inconsistent fan translations of names (or otherwise just using the names found in the files), some still in use here (Deele/Dier and Seele/Sier being likely the most prominent example).

BUR #5744 has been approved by @evazion.

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create alias qbz-95_(girls'_frontline) -> type_95_(girls'_frontline)
create alias qbz-97_(girls'_frontline) -> type_97_(girls'_frontline)
create alias type_59_pistol_(girls'_frontline) -> type_59_(girls'_frontline)
create alias type_56_assault_rifle_(girls'_frontline) -> type_56-1_(girls'_frontline)
create alias type_63_assault_rifle_(girls'_frontline) -> type_63_(girls'_frontline)
create alias webley_revolver_(girls'_frontline) -> webley_(girls'_frontline)
create alias m1903_springfield_(girls'_frontline) -> springfield_(girls'_frontline)
create alias m1908_(girls'_frontline) -> mondragon_m1908_(girls'_frontline)
create alias colt_m1873_(girls'_frontline) -> colt_revolver_(girls'_frontline)
create alias type_81_(girls'_frontline) -> type_81_carbine_(girls'_frontline)
create alias ptrd-41_(girls'_frontline) -> ptrd_(girls'_frontline)
create alias m3_grease_gun_(girls'_frontline) -> m3_(girls'_frontline)
create alias m1918_bar_(girls'_frontline) -> m1918_(girls'_frontline)
create alias walther_p99_(girls'_frontline) -> p99_(girls'_frontline)
create alias valmet_m82_(girls'_frontline) -> m82_(girls'_frontline)
create alias zvi_falcon_(girls'_frontline) -> falcon_(girls'_frontline)
create alias ithaca_m37_(girls'_frontline) -> m37_(girls'_frontline)
create alias cetme_ameli_(girls'_frontline) -> ameli_(girls'_frontline)
create alias ak47_(girls'_frontline) -> ak-47_(girls'_frontline)
create alias savage-99_(girls'_frontline) -> savage_99_(girls'_frontline)
create alias cz-2000_(girls'_frontline) -> cz2000_(girls'_frontline)
create alias cz-75_(girls'_frontline) -> cz75_(girls'_frontline)
create alias nz_75_(girls'_frontline) -> nz75_(girls'_frontline)
create alias iws-2000_(girls'_frontline) -> iws_2000_(girls'_frontline)
create alias deele_(girls'_frontline) -> dier_(girls'_frontline)
create alias deele_maid_(girls'_frontline) -> dier_maid_(girls'_frontline)
create alias seele_(girls'_frontline) -> sier_(girls'_frontline)
create alias suomi_kp31_(girls'_frontline) -> suomi_(girls'_frontline)
create alias ribeyrolles_1918_(girls'_frontline) -> ribeyrolles_(girls'_frontline)
create alias mp-446_viking_(girls'_frontline) -> mp-446_(girls'_frontline)
create alias m1919_(girls'_frontline) -> m1919a4_(girls'_frontline)
create alias spr-a3g_(girls'_frontline) -> spr_a3g_(girls'_frontline)
create alias ar-70_(girls'_frontline) -> ar70_(girls'_frontline)
create alias k-2_(girls'_frontline) -> k2_(girls'_frontline)
create alias sig_556_(girls'_frontline) -> sig-556_(girls'_frontline)
create alias super_shorty_(girls'_frontline) -> super-shorty_(girls'_frontline)
create alias m2_mortar_(girls'_frontline) -> m2_(girls'_frontline)
create alias mk153_(girls'_frontline) -> mk_153_(girls'_frontline)
create alias 2b14_podnos_(girls'_frontline) -> 2b14_(girls'_frontline)
create alias welrod_mk2_(girls'_frontline) -> welrod_mkii_(girls'_frontline)
create alias sten_mk2_(girls'_frontline) -> sten_mkii_(girls'_frontline)
create alias search_fairy_(girls'_frontline) -> rescue_fairy_(girls'_frontline)
create alias garm_(girls'_frontline) -> cerberus_(girls'_frontline)
create alias ares_(girls'_frontline) -> aa-02_sinner_(girls'_frontline)

If this results in adjusting all of the character tags, we should probably at least have the character tags correct first. I've been holding off on this for awhile since it's frankly a mess, but it's better if it gets done before any significant changes are made.

This BUR should align all of the characters with their names on the Chinese server (and in some cases, the English server too), even though some of the changes border on pedantry and don't add much value.

@Damian0358 Can you double check this to make sure I didn't miss anybody?

eidolon said:

Can you double check this to make sure I didn't miss anybody?

If you want to go full pedantry, from what I can tell, you've still got MP-446 Viking (MP-446), Type 59 Pistol (Type 59), Welrod Mk2 (Welrod MkII), Sten Mk2 (Sten MkII), Suomi KP31 (Suomi), PzB39 (PzB 39), SPR-A3G (SPR A3G), AR-70 (AR70), Ribeyrolles 1918 (Ribeyrolles), K-2 (K2), SIG 556 (SIG-556), M1919 (M1919A4), Super Shorty (Super-Shorty), M2 Mortar (M2), Mk153 (Mk 153), 2B14 Podnos (2B14), and possibly Garm (Cerberus), as I don't recall where the name Garm appeared, while Cerberus is what is used in the Enemy Index.

Some of these are minor differences between the old servers (CN, KR, TW) and EN, while others would align it with how all servers show them. Also, you missed the ) at the end of Scout's tag... which reveals it is already being used by the enemy of the same name, damn.

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Damian0358 said:

If you want to go full pedantry, from what I can tell, you've still got MP-446 Viking (MP-446), Type 59 Pistol (Type 59), Welrod Mk2 (Welrod MkII), Sten Mk2 (Sten MkII), Suomi KP31 (Suomi), PzB39 (PzB 39), SPR-A3G (SPR A3G), AR-70 (AR70), Ribeyrolles 1918 (Ribeyrolles), K-2 (K2), SIG 556 (SIG-556), M1919 (M1919A4), Super Shorty (Super-Shorty), M2 Mortar (M2), Mk153 (Mk 153), 2B14 Podnos (2B14), and possibly Garm (Cerberus), as I don't recall where the name Garm appeared, while Cerberus is what is used in the Enemy Index.

I've added those (except for PzB39, which is correct currently) and I've also added ares_(girls_frontline) to aa-02_sinner_(girls_frontline). AA-02 Sinner is its correct name (Ares is only mentioned in the game files) and search_fairy_(girls_frontline) to rescue_fairy_(girls_frontline).

I also removed steyr_scout_(girls_frontline)/scout_(girls_frontline) for now. Either we'll have to leave it as-is or move scout_(girls_frontline) to scout_(sangvis_ferri)_(girls_frontline) first.

eidolon said:

BUR #5744 has been approved by @evazion.

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create alias qbz-95_(girls'_frontline) -> type_95_(girls'_frontline)
create alias qbz-97_(girls'_frontline) -> type_97_(girls'_frontline)
create alias type_59_pistol_(girls'_frontline) -> type_59_(girls'_frontline)
create alias type_56_assault_rifle_(girls'_frontline) -> type_56-1_(girls'_frontline)
create alias type_63_assault_rifle_(girls'_frontline) -> type_63_(girls'_frontline)
create alias webley_revolver_(girls'_frontline) -> webley_(girls'_frontline)
create alias m1903_springfield_(girls'_frontline) -> springfield_(girls'_frontline)
create alias m1908_(girls'_frontline) -> mondragon_m1908_(girls'_frontline)
create alias colt_m1873_(girls'_frontline) -> colt_revolver_(girls'_frontline)
create alias type_81_(girls'_frontline) -> type_81_carbine_(girls'_frontline)
create alias ptrd-41_(girls'_frontline) -> ptrd_(girls'_frontline)
create alias m3_grease_gun_(girls'_frontline) -> m3_(girls'_frontline)
create alias m1918_bar_(girls'_frontline) -> m1918_(girls'_frontline)
create alias walther_p99_(girls'_frontline) -> p99_(girls'_frontline)
create alias valmet_m82_(girls'_frontline) -> m82_(girls'_frontline)
create alias zvi_falcon_(girls'_frontline) -> falcon_(girls'_frontline)
create alias ithaca_m37_(girls'_frontline) -> m37_(girls'_frontline)
create alias cetme_ameli_(girls'_frontline) -> ameli_(girls'_frontline)
create alias ak47_(girls'_frontline) -> ak-47_(girls'_frontline)
create alias savage-99_(girls'_frontline) -> savage_99_(girls'_frontline)
create alias cz-2000_(girls'_frontline) -> cz2000_(girls'_frontline)
create alias cz-75_(girls'_frontline) -> cz75_(girls'_frontline)
create alias nz_75_(girls'_frontline) -> nz75_(girls'_frontline)
create alias iws-2000_(girls'_frontline) -> iws_2000_(girls'_frontline)
create alias deele_(girls'_frontline) -> dier_(girls'_frontline)
create alias deele_maid_(girls'_frontline) -> dier_maid_(girls'_frontline)
create alias seele_(girls'_frontline) -> sier_(girls'_frontline)
create alias suomi_kp31_(girls'_frontline) -> suomi_(girls'_frontline)
create alias ribeyrolles_1918_(girls'_frontline) -> ribeyrolles_(girls'_frontline)
create alias mp-446_viking_(girls'_frontline) -> mp-446_(girls'_frontline)
create alias m1919_(girls'_frontline) -> m1919a4_(girls'_frontline)
create alias spr-a3g_(girls'_frontline) -> spr_a3g_(girls'_frontline)
create alias ar-70_(girls'_frontline) -> ar70_(girls'_frontline)
create alias k-2_(girls'_frontline) -> k2_(girls'_frontline)
create alias sig_556_(girls'_frontline) -> sig-556_(girls'_frontline)
create alias super_shorty_(girls'_frontline) -> super-shorty_(girls'_frontline)
create alias m2_mortar_(girls'_frontline) -> m2_(girls'_frontline)
create alias mk153_(girls'_frontline) -> mk_153_(girls'_frontline)
create alias 2b14_podnos_(girls'_frontline) -> 2b14_(girls'_frontline)
create alias welrod_mk2_(girls'_frontline) -> welrod_mkii_(girls'_frontline)
create alias sten_mk2_(girls'_frontline) -> sten_mkii_(girls'_frontline)
create alias search_fairy_(girls'_frontline) -> rescue_fairy_(girls'_frontline)
create alias garm_(girls'_frontline) -> cerberus_(girls'_frontline)
create alias ares_(girls'_frontline) -> aa-02_sinner_(girls'_frontline)

If this results in adjusting all of the character tags, we should probably at least have the character tags correct first. I've been holding off on this for awhile since it's frankly a mess, but it's better if it gets done before any significant changes are made.

This BUR should align all of the characters with their names on the Chinese server (and in some cases, the English server too), even though some of the changes border on pedantry and don't add much value.

@Damian0358 Can you double check this to make sure I didn't miss anybody?

If we are going with this BUR, why don't we add the apostrophe in the qualifiers? It seems we will eventually use the apostrophe in copyright tag which means these characters will get two BURs when it could be just one.

eidolon said:

I've added those (except for PzB39, which is correct currently) and I've also added ares_(girls_frontline) to aa-02_sinner_(girls_frontline). AA-02 Sinner is its correct name (Ares is only mentioned in the game files) and search_fairy_(girls_frontline) to rescue_fairy_(girls_frontline).

I also removed steyr_scout_(girls_frontline)/scout_(girls_frontline) for now. Either we'll have to leave it as-is or move scout_(girls_frontline) to scout_(sangvis_ferri)_(girls_frontline) first.

I... think we'd want to avoid double qualifiers if it's possible.

eidolon said:

BUR #5744 has been approved by @evazion.

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create alias qbz-95_(girls'_frontline) -> type_95_(girls'_frontline)
create alias qbz-97_(girls'_frontline) -> type_97_(girls'_frontline)
create alias type_59_pistol_(girls'_frontline) -> type_59_(girls'_frontline)
create alias type_56_assault_rifle_(girls'_frontline) -> type_56-1_(girls'_frontline)
create alias type_63_assault_rifle_(girls'_frontline) -> type_63_(girls'_frontline)
create alias webley_revolver_(girls'_frontline) -> webley_(girls'_frontline)
create alias m1903_springfield_(girls'_frontline) -> springfield_(girls'_frontline)
create alias m1908_(girls'_frontline) -> mondragon_m1908_(girls'_frontline)
create alias colt_m1873_(girls'_frontline) -> colt_revolver_(girls'_frontline)
create alias type_81_(girls'_frontline) -> type_81_carbine_(girls'_frontline)
create alias ptrd-41_(girls'_frontline) -> ptrd_(girls'_frontline)
create alias m3_grease_gun_(girls'_frontline) -> m3_(girls'_frontline)
create alias m1918_bar_(girls'_frontline) -> m1918_(girls'_frontline)
create alias walther_p99_(girls'_frontline) -> p99_(girls'_frontline)
create alias valmet_m82_(girls'_frontline) -> m82_(girls'_frontline)
create alias zvi_falcon_(girls'_frontline) -> falcon_(girls'_frontline)
create alias ithaca_m37_(girls'_frontline) -> m37_(girls'_frontline)
create alias cetme_ameli_(girls'_frontline) -> ameli_(girls'_frontline)
create alias ak47_(girls'_frontline) -> ak-47_(girls'_frontline)
create alias savage-99_(girls'_frontline) -> savage_99_(girls'_frontline)
create alias cz-2000_(girls'_frontline) -> cz2000_(girls'_frontline)
create alias cz-75_(girls'_frontline) -> cz75_(girls'_frontline)
create alias nz_75_(girls'_frontline) -> nz75_(girls'_frontline)
create alias iws-2000_(girls'_frontline) -> iws_2000_(girls'_frontline)
create alias deele_(girls'_frontline) -> dier_(girls'_frontline)
create alias deele_maid_(girls'_frontline) -> dier_maid_(girls'_frontline)
create alias seele_(girls'_frontline) -> sier_(girls'_frontline)
create alias suomi_kp31_(girls'_frontline) -> suomi_(girls'_frontline)
create alias ribeyrolles_1918_(girls'_frontline) -> ribeyrolles_(girls'_frontline)
create alias mp-446_viking_(girls'_frontline) -> mp-446_(girls'_frontline)
create alias m1919_(girls'_frontline) -> m1919a4_(girls'_frontline)
create alias spr-a3g_(girls'_frontline) -> spr_a3g_(girls'_frontline)
create alias ar-70_(girls'_frontline) -> ar70_(girls'_frontline)
create alias k-2_(girls'_frontline) -> k2_(girls'_frontline)
create alias sig_556_(girls'_frontline) -> sig-556_(girls'_frontline)
create alias super_shorty_(girls'_frontline) -> super-shorty_(girls'_frontline)
create alias m2_mortar_(girls'_frontline) -> m2_(girls'_frontline)
create alias mk153_(girls'_frontline) -> mk_153_(girls'_frontline)
create alias 2b14_podnos_(girls'_frontline) -> 2b14_(girls'_frontline)
create alias welrod_mk2_(girls'_frontline) -> welrod_mkii_(girls'_frontline)
create alias sten_mk2_(girls'_frontline) -> sten_mkii_(girls'_frontline)
create alias search_fairy_(girls'_frontline) -> rescue_fairy_(girls'_frontline)
create alias garm_(girls'_frontline) -> cerberus_(girls'_frontline)
create alias ares_(girls'_frontline) -> aa-02_sinner_(girls'_frontline)

If this results in adjusting all of the character tags, we should probably at least have the character tags correct first. I've been holding off on this for awhile since it's frankly a mess, but it's better if it gets done before any significant changes are made.

This BUR should align all of the characters with their names on the Chinese server (and in some cases, the English server too), even though some of the changes border on pedantry and don't add much value.

@Damian0358 Can you double check this to make sure I didn't miss anybody?

And actually I don't think why we should change all their names just for the sake of aligning with their internal file names/CN-TW names, if this results in:
1. Names that are ambiguous and require additional qualifiers (like Steyr Scout's)
2. Names that differ markedly from those most of the English fanbase (and EN official server, in some cases) uses, resulting in unintuitive tags that hurt tagging and searching.

If multiple English wikis (e.g. Gamepress, IOP, 'TV Tropes') call them one name, with people on forums and Reddit etc using similar names, and we already follow those same names for the character tags... then why do we need to even change this?

(In fact in a lot of cases we have gone the opposite of this, swapping from names that initially agree with the Dev file names and/or Latin letter romanizations in the JP version of the copyright to ones that the English fanbase prefers, just so we can make search and tagging more intuitive. Fire Emblem and Pokemon chartags being two prominent examples)

Especially since those BURs don't even resolve the apostrophe issue with girls_frontline vs. girls'_frontline in the qualifiers, mandating another BUR change (and breaking wikis and some 'referenced' comments) again.

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NNescio said:

If multiple English wikis (e.g. Gamepress, IOP, 'TV Tropes') call them one name, with people on forums and Reddit etc using similar names, and we already follow those same names for the character tags... then why do we need to even change this?

NNescio, you do realize most of the changes in that BUR aligns it with not only how all the servers render those names (including those very English wikis you mention, i.e. Type 95, Type 97 [once localized], K2, PTRD, Springfield, Webley, AK-47, 2B14, Cerberus, etc.), but some with how it is rendered on the EN server (i.e. Dier, Sier, AA-02 Sinner, etc), right?

A good number of the chartags mentioned here were even made to conform with the equivalent gun tag on Danbooru, and not with the name in-game (QBZ-95/97, M1903 Springfield, M1918 BAR, Type 56 Assault Rifle, etc). Changing them makes searching for them more intuitive for that very English fanbase you mention.

I do agree though that putting the apostrophes on the new tags would be good. And I'm personally willing to accept Steyr Scout remaining as she is, since realistically, the alternative is ugly. We already have to deal with Aegis (KCCO), and that one was unavoidable.

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I can easily add the apostrophes to the BUR, that's non-issue. I didn't add them initially since parent one hasn't been approved yet.

I went with the Chinese naming instead of the official English naming primarily since the English names adds a bunch of extra country prefixes to some (but not all) characters. They aren't needed and would likely hinder searching for specific characters (e.g. people will be searching for g36, not gr_g36). You'd also run into an issue with Type88, where the tag would point to a different character afterwards (type_88 -> qjy-88 and hanyang_type_88 -> type_88). This is probably a bigger issue than the problem with Scout.

Damian0358 said:

NNescio, you do realize most of the changes in that BUR aligns it with not only how all the servers render those names (including those very English wikis you mention, i.e. Type 95, Type 97 [once localized], K2, PTRD, Springfield, Webley, AK-47, 2B14, Cerberus, etc.), but some with how it is rendered on the EN server (i.e. Dier, Sier, AA-02 Sinner, etc), right?

A good number of the chartags mentioned here were even made to conform with the equivalent gun tag on Danbooru, and not with the name in-game (QBZ-95/97, M1903 Springfield, M1918 BAR, Type 56 Assault Rifle, etc). Changing them makes searching for them more intuitive for that very English fanbase you mention.

Hmm... *looks*

Whoops, must have read them the wrong way around then. Only double-checked Steyr Scout and Garm and Ares. My apologies.

Though... hmm... thinking about it, changing some of the names to just serial numbers do make them more ambiguous. Especially for people more familiar with the gun than the actual T-Doll. I would... say... strongly disagree with removing "mortar" from M2. Some of the M(number) names might also be problematic that way, due to the habit of the American military of sticking M on every single piece of hardware.

Does also make it harder to tag guns too, because now people have to remember two sets of names, and some of them can be quite... odd, with say, the real-life gun having a hyphen but the T-Doll doesn't, then another gun having a hyphen but the T-Doll uses a space instead, and then some like Sig 556 not having a hyphen but then the T-Doll version introduces one.

Yeah, a lot of the 'one word'/hyphen/space differences in naming are rather arbitrary (though often indicative of their origin), but then you add on arbitrary 'changes' on top of that for the T-Doll version... it does really discourage complete tagging.

Some of the guns are also more well known with the model name or gun type on top. P99 alone might make some people go huh (for people not familiar with both the gun and character)m but Walther P99 is iconic with most people knowing it's that "James Bond gun".

As for the QBZes... I guess that's done to differentiate them from Japanese guns (both in real life and for the current Danbooru tags). Personally, I'm not that familiar with guns, so if I see a "Type Number" name I'm going to assume it's a Japanese gun of some sort. If those aliases go through and I see, say, a character named "Type number" that I'm not familiar with, and I see the gun untagged, I will likely similarly type "Type_number" to find that gun. It would not cross my mind to go looking for it under QBZ, so if I can't find the gun under "Type_" I will not bother looking it up and just leave it untagged. This might even be worse for some taggers—they might go and create another "Type_number" generic guntag instead, without realizing it's already listed under QBZ-"number".

So, overall, it would seem like that GFL isn't quite like other fanbases... there are two 'fanbases' at play here that both intersect. One for the English fanbase of GFL, and another for the English 'fanbase' of, well, real-life military guns. So when there is some agreement in names (or at least enough to autocomplete), fans of one 'fanbase' can easily tag for the other. (Or more likely, people who aren't really unfamiliar with both but still recognizing some of the more iconic guns from movies and anime and other games), Though, I do acknowledge that GFL is the 'primary' fanbase here, and tagging of GFL chars is of a more higher priority than the guns they wield.

And with all that said, AK47 is definitely wrong. Danbooru uses AK-47 with the hyphen for the gun, and most English sources also do the same. In-game it's also AK-47 with a hyphen. So that one definitely needs to change.

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NNescio said:

So, overall, it would seem like that GFL isn't quite like other fanbases...

Before I address your other points, I will remind you that you did point out how Azur Lane and KanColle both use different names for the same ship a few weeks ago, a difference that tagging-wise seems arbitrary, but otherwise makes sense for the fanbase in question.

NNescio said:

Though... hmm... thinking about it, changing some of the names to just serial numbers do make them more ambiguous. Especially for people more familiar with the gun than the actual T-Doll. I would... say... strongly disagree with removing "mortar" from M2. Some of the M(number) names might also be problematic that way, due to the habit of the American military of sticking M on every single piece of hardware.

Does also make it harder to tag guns too, because now people have to remember two sets of names, and some of them can be quite... odd, with say, the real-life gun having a hyphen but the T-Doll doesn't, then another gun having a hyphen but the T-Doll uses a space instead, and then some like Sig 556 not having a hyphen but then the T-Doll version introduces one.

Yeah, a lot of the 'one word'/hyphen/space differences in naming are rather arbitrary (though often indicative of their origin), but then you add on arbitrary 'changes' on top of that for the T-Doll version... it does really discourage complete tagging.

Some of the guns are also more well known with the model name or gun type on top. P99 alone might make some people go huh (for people not familiar with both the gun and character)m but Walther P99 is iconic with most people knowing it's that "James Bond gun".

Though I get your point here, this feels like a non-issue to some degree, as you can not only have the tag for the gun included in the T-Doll's wiki (and thus have it suggested), but also much of the fanart drawn for the T-Doll may or may not include the gun to begin with, as in contrast to other gacha games of this style, in-universe they aren't beholden to the gun. They may get upgrades that make them super proficient with the gun, but otherwise can use other guns too. Both the spinoff Neural Cloud and the sequel Girls Frontline 2 even do away with the in-universe G&K-enforced codenames derived from the guns, using actual names instead (and for some T-Dolls, revealing their actual/original names for the first time).

NNescio said:
As for the QBZes... I guess that's done to differentiate them from Japanese guns (both in real life and for the current Danbooru tags). Personally, I'm not that familiar with guns, so if I see a "Type Number" name I'm going to assume it's a Japanese gun of some sort. If those aliases go through and I see, say, a character named "Type number" that I'm not familiar with, and I see the gun untagged, I will likely similarly type "Type_number" to find that gun. It would not cross my mind to go looking for it under QBZ, so if I can't find the gun under "Type_" I will not bother looking it up and just leave it untagged. This might even be worse for some taggers—they might go and create another "Type_number" generic guntag instead, without realizing it's already listed under QBZ-"number".

Though you might assume that "Type Number" equals Japanese, both the Chinese and the Japanese adopted the use of "type" akin to "mark" or "model" in the 1920s. The Japanese server doesn't distinguish it either, it just uses "95式" or "97式" as the Chinese servers do. Additionally, we already use "Type Number" for several Chinese guns (either because that's how they are referred to as in English, or because of Girls' Frontline introducing those guns to Danbooru), such as the Type 03 (which would also be a QBZ), the Type 56 and its Carbine variant, the Type 59, the Type 63, the Type 64, the Type 79, the Type 80, the Type 81, the Type 88, the Hanyang Type 88, the Type 92, and the Type 97 Shotgun. The outlier here would be the QBU-88, which is also referred to as a Type 88, but they call the doll wielding the gun that too, so that's fine. Given this wider context, having QBZ-95 and QBZ-97 isn't intuitive tagging-wise for the T-Dolls at all. (And before you ask, on the Japanese side we have the Type 4, the Type 62, the Howa Type 64, the Howa Type 89, and the Type 100)

Additionally, my points from above on mentioning the relevant gun tag in each wiki, which the newly-dubbed Type 95 and Type 97 wikis would already have, and the frequent irrelevance in fanart. If need be though, you could always just alias the "type" names to the regular gun tags.

NNescio said:
there are two 'fanbases' at play here that both intersect. One for the English fanbase of GFL, and another for the English 'fanbase' of, well, real-life military guns. So when there is some agreement in names (or at least enough to autocomplete), fans of one 'fanbase' can easily tag for the other. (Or more likely, people who aren't really unfamiliar with both but still recognizing some of the more iconic guns from movies and anime and other games), Though, I do acknowledge that GFL is the 'primary' fanbase here, and tagging of GFL chars is of a more higher priority than the guns they wield.

There's plenty of gun nuts in the GFL fanbase, no matter English or Chinese, and while they may use different names for plenty of these guns, they've all largely accepted the names used in-game, only eschewing them if it is too tedious (such as referring to M950A by the gun manufacturer's name, Calico; and even then, M950A will be used because that's what the game uses).

Updated

Alright, here we go.

  • I'm going to need a BUR for all other *girls_frontline* tags. There are over six hundred of them.
  • Please put any "change QBZ-95 to Type 95" type name changes in a separate request. Don't mix them together with the main "change Girls Frontline to Girls' Frontline" request. If you give me a list of 600 characters and you hide a bunch of disputable character name changes in with the "change everything to Girls' Frontline" request, I will hate you.
  • All wikis will need to be fixed to use the new Girls' Frontline spelling and any new character names.
  • All pools mentioning Girls Frontline (in the title or description) will need to be fixed.
  • If we're being really pedantic, all translation notes and artist commentaries mentioning Girls Frontline or the old character names will need to be fixed.
  • I'm not doing any of this myself. If you want this change, you're the one who gets to fix everything up. "That's a lot of work!" Yeah, no shit. Have fun.

I'll submit a BUR tomorrow with a mass fix from girls to girls'. The renaming to the correct names will have to be redone after, otherwise we'll just be stepping on each other's toes.

I checked this wiki link and I don't see any page still linking to the old one. Does this search work properly with aliases?

Tensa said:

Refreshing the danbooru page search for girls'_frontline or girls_frontline produces random posts from various time periods in the past with the first post being Springfield, uploaded circa 5 hours ago.

It's still moving everything over from Girls Frontline to Girls' Frontline. During this time the search will be broken until everything gets moved. This may take a couple hours.

You can search unaliased:girls_frontline to see how many posts are left under the old tag.

evazion said:

  • All wikis will need to be fixed to use the new Girls' Frontline spelling and any new character names.
  • All pools mentioning Girls Frontline (in the title or description) will need to be fixed.
  • If we're being really pedantic, all translation notes and artist commentaries mentioning Girls Frontline or the old character names will need to be fixed.
  • I'm not doing any of this myself. If you want this change, you're the one who gets to fix everything up. "That's a lot of work!" Yeah, no shit. Have fun.

Done, for the most part.

evazion said:

  • Please put any "change QBZ-95 to Type 95" type name changes in a separate request. Don't mix them together with the main "change Girls Frontline to Girls' Frontline" request. If you give me a list of 600 characters and you hide a bunch of disputable character name changes in with the "change everything to Girls' Frontline" request, I will hate you.

Eido's BUR is a separate request, all it needs now is to be updated so that it has "Girls' Frontline" as the qualifier, and it would be good to go.

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