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BUR #56688 has been approved by @nonamethanks.
create alias braided_sidelock -> single_braided_sidelock
remove alias braided_sidelock -> single_braided_sidelock
Convention for a tag with both a singular and plural form is to prefix the singular form with "single". Right now, braided sidelock interferes with the autocomplete for braided sidelocks since the difference is only pluralising sidelock. Alias to move the tag, unalias for autocomplete reasons.
BUR #56705 is pending approval.
create alias side_braid -> single_side_braid
remove alias side_braid -> single_side_braid
Also this
BUR #56854 has been approved by @nonamethanks.
rename low-tied_sidelock -> single_low-tied_sidelock
Only 16 posts with this, but I think it makes sense for this to follow braided sidelock.
side braid at the moment is used for anything from sidelocks (side_braid braided_sidelock*, 200 posts) to braids that are over one's shoulder (side_braid hair_over_shoulder, 2k posts!).
I don't think there's much point in distinguishing it from sidelocks, but for it to be an alternative and not a padding tag for hair over shoulder it needs to have a better name than single side braid, especially since it's so large and people will just use it regardless of what's written on the wiki otherwise.
The bulk update request #56854 (forum #425700) has been approved by @nonamethanks.
The bulk update request #56688 (forum #425168) has been approved by @nonamethanks.
The braid tags are all a mess. Is Izayoi Sakuya's hairstyle twin braids, side braids, or braided sidelocks? Is Kirisame Marisa's hairstyle a single braid, a side braid, or a single braided sidelock?
The creation of braided sidelocks and single braided sidelock means that now we're supposed to be making a distinction now between sidelocks and non-sidelocks, but this distinction is not always easy to make. The distinction is supposed to be that braided sidelocks go in front of the ears while side braids go behind or beside the ears, but in practice it's not always easy to tell when the ears are obscured. The position of the braids can also vary by depiction, so a single character can have their tagging split between side braids and braided sidelocks. Not to mention that every character tagged twin braids now needs to be tagged either side braids or braided sidelocks, depending on the exact position of the braids.
There's also the question of whether single braided sidelock should imply single braid or single sidelock or both. Recall that braided ponytail doesn't imply ponytail because that would leave us no tag for regular unbraided ponytails. This suggests that single braided sidelocks should also be kept separate from regular unbraided sidelocks, but braided sidelocks already implies sidelocks, so we've already gone back on the idea that braids should be kept separate from non-braids.
Meanwhile, single braid historically was often used for the dead mom hair over shoulder hairstyle, which we don't have any other tag for, so if we take the next step and make single braid an umbrella tag for single braided sidelock and single side braid, then it makes that hairstyle even harder to find and necessitates making some kind of new braided ponytail over shoulder tag for it.
I don't really know what to do here besides to say that someone needs to go through all the braid tags and think through how they should be defined and organized. Otherwise we get into these messes where we have too many overlapping or poorly defined tags and it's not clear what the difference between things like twin braids and side braids is supposed to be.
evazion said in forum #435561:
The braid tags are all a mess. Is Izayoi Sakuya's hairstyle twin braids, side braids, or braided sidelocks? Is Kirisame Marisa's hairstyle a single braid, a side braid, or a single braided sidelock?
The creation of braided sidelocks and single braided sidelock means that now we're supposed to be making a distinction now between sidelocks and non-sidelocks, but this distinction is not always easy to make. The distinction is supposed to be that braided sidelocks go in front of the ears while side braids go behind or beside the ears, but in practice it's not always easy to tell when the ears are obscured. The position of the braids can also vary by depiction, so a single character can have their tagging split between side braids and braided sidelocks.
To me, Izayoi Sakuya and Kirisame Marisa definitely have braided sidelocks and single braided sidelock respectively in their typical hairstyles (as opposed to side braids or side braid) since their braided hair is typically in front of their ears. I do definitely see though how there can be cases which are hard to determine.
What isn't totally clear to me though is twin braids and single braid. Right now it seems like twin braids encompasses braided sidelocks (along with hairstyles where two braids are present that are generally symmetrical/identical to each other) and single braid encompasses single braided sidelock (along with other hairstyles where only a single braid is present). But I don't know if there's consensus on that since there aren't already tag implications for these relationships.
evazion said in forum #435561:
Not to mention that every character tagged twin braids now needs to be tagged either side braids or braided sidelocks, depending on the exact position of the braids.
I think the twin braids tag is more broad than that. In addition to those two tags it also is used for stuff like post #11249438 where the majority of the character's hair forms two braids instead of just locks of hair near the ear.
evazion said in forum #435561:
There's also the question of whether single braided sidelock should imply single braid or single sidelock or both. Recall that braided ponytail doesn't imply ponytail because that would leave us no tag for regular unbraided ponytails. This suggests that single braided sidelocks should also be kept separate from regular unbraided sidelocks, but braided sidelocks already implies sidelocks, so we've already gone back on the idea that braids should be kept separate from non-braids.
Meanwhile, single braid historically was often used for the dead mom hair over shoulder hairstyle, which we don't have any other tag for, so if we take the next step and make single braid an umbrella tag for single braided sidelock and single side braid, then it makes that hairstyle even harder to find and necessitates making some kind of new braided ponytail over shoulder tag for it.
There does need to be a consistent standard. I'd prefer just getting rid of the separation across the board and instead having braided versions of any given hairstyle implicate the general tag for that hairstyle, but I think braided ponytail currently would cause problems with doing that since there's a lot of posts currently tagged with braided ponytail that wouldn't appropriately be tagged with ponytail.
BUR #58838 has been approved by @nonamethanks.
remove alias ball_braids -> hair_bobbles
Starting to make a draft for this and found this horrible alias from 17 years ago. ball braids is a term for braids in the shape of sequential balls, for which we also have bubble_braid -> multi-tied hair. Happened in forum #12570.
The bulk update request #58838 (forum #437375) has been approved by @nonamethanks.
Before I compile my thoughts, here's the current state of all of our *braid* tags:
long_braid <- forum #433726 wants to rename this to very long braid
short_braid
low-braided_long_hair
high-ended_braid
single_braid
twin_braids
multiple_braids <- more than two, but currently padding for two and more. Rename to 3+_braids? Nuke? Make 5+_braids?
half_up_braid
half_up_half_down_braid
ponytail_with_braided_base
braided_twintails
twintails_with_braided_base
french_braided_twintails
two_side_up_with_braided_base
low_twin_braids
braided_hair_rings
single_braided_sidelock
braided_sidelocks
side_ponytail_with_braided_base
braided_bangs
front_braid <- meant to be for post #11218996, abused for braided bangs and hair over shoulder
braided_bun
bun_with_braided_base
box_braids
rope_braid <- seems like padding. See multi-tied hair below
folded_braid
net_braid <- really cool, i like this :)
braided_dreadlocks
nested_braids <- should be called braids_braided_together or something
ribbon_braid <- rename to ribbon in braid
flower_braid <- same as above, flower in braid
braided_spikes <- same, it sounds like it's for spikes that have braids but it's for spikes in braid
braided_beard
braided_mustache
braided_pubic_hair
braided_tail
braided_fur <- might be ambiguous, see braided mane below
braided_mane <- two posts, i split this into braided beard and braided animal, which will need some utility aliases
braiding_hair <- should be renamed into braiding own hair so we can have an umbrella. hairdressing should also get a bunch of utility aliases like hair_styling etc
braiding_another's_hair
unbraiding_hair
braid_slap
braided marshmallow
braided_scarf
braided_belt
extra_braid
horn_with_braided_base
multi-tied_hair <- has the alias from bubble braid, which seems like the same thing as rope braid. We'll have to figure this out
Updated by nonamethanks
BUR #58839 is pending approval.
create implication ponytail_with_braided_base -> braided_base
create implication twintails_with_braided_base -> braided_base
create implication two_side_up_with_braided_base -> braided_base
create implication side_ponytail_with_braided_base -> braided_base
create implication bun_with_braided_base -> braided_base
create implication horn_with_braided_base -> braided_base
create implication braided_base -> braid
Let's get this out of the way first. I think it makes sense to have a single tag for this braiding technique.
BUR #58841 is pending approval.
create alias braided_horse -> braided_animal
create alias braided_animal_fur -> braided_animal
Utility aliases because horses often have braids as decorations.
BUR #58842 is pending approval.
create alias ribbon_braid -> ribbon_in_braid
remove alias ribbon_braid -> ribbon_in_braid
create alias flower_braid -> flower_in_braid
remove alias flower_braid -> flower_in_braid
create implication flower_in_braid -> braid
create implication flower_in_braid -> hair_flower
rename braided_spikes -> spikes_in_braid
Decoration renames
BUR #58843 is pending approval.
mass update braiding_hair intertwined_hair -> braiding_own_hair braiding_another's_hair
mass update braiding_hair -solo -braiding_own_hair -> braiding_another's_hair
mass update braiding_hair -braiding_another's_hair -braiding_own_hair -> braiding_own_hair
create implication braiding_own_hair -> braiding_hair
create implication braiding_another's_hair -> braiding_hair
create alias hair_styling -> hairdressing
Turning braiding hair into an umbrella tag. This will need some cleanup afterwards.
nonamethanks said in forum #437379:
rope_braid <- seems like padding. See multi-tied hair below
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multi-tied_hair <- has the alias from bubble braid, which seems like the same thing as rope braid. We'll have to figure this out
No, they're different styles.
In one, you twist two strands of hair around each other (tying them either once at the end or twice at the beginning and end), while in the other, you tie a single strand every few centimeters (using several elastic bands, ribbons, etc.).
てはいさ said in forum #437418:
Do you honestly think these look different enough that our taggers will be able to distinguish them? Open rope braid and multi-tied hair side by side.
nonamethanks said in forum #437423:
Do you honestly think these look different enough that our taggers will be able to distinguish them? Open rope braid and multi-tied hair side by side.
I checked. There are no posts tagged "rope_braid" that should be tagged "multi-tied_hair." All posts tagged "rope_braid" that shouldn't are showing regular braids (like post #9661854)
I also looked through a comparable number of posts tagged "multi-tied_hair", and none of them had the incorrectly tagged "rope_braid"
