Using full names for mainline Pokemon games and their related copyright tags

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zetsubousensei said in forum #421283:

Better than the other, still meh on changing it in general, but I much prefer a division of names than "red green blue" and "yellow." If we use the full names I don't hate this.

Will be really interesting to see the outcome of this thread. As far as I know Pokemon tags are the only ones using the name of 3+ games in a single tag.

Agreed. I think full names are better in principle but the "and" formatting for the older gens is clunky. I guess the other option would just be like pokemon_red_green_blue_yellow which is probably worse.

BKaz20 said in forum #421281:

BUR #55624 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

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create alias pokemon_rgby -> pokemon_red/green/blue/yellow
create alias pokemon_rgby_(prototype) -> pokemon_red/green/blue/yellow_(prototype)
create alias pokemon_gsc -> pokemon_gold/silver/crystal
create alias pokemon_gsc_(prototype) -> pokemon_gold/silver/crystal_(prototype)
create alias pokemon_rse -> pokemon_ruby/sapphire/emerald
create alias pokemon_rse_(prototype) -> pokemon_ruby/sapphire/emerald_(prototype)
create alias pokemon_frlg -> pokemon_firered_and_leafgreen
create alias pokemon_dppt -> pokemon_diamond/pearl/platinum
create alias pokemon_hgss -> pokemon_heartgold_and_soulsilver
create alias pokemon_bw -> pokemon_black_and_white
create alias pokemon_bw_(prototype) -> pokemon_black_and_white_(prototype)
create alias pokemon_bw2 -> pokemon_black_2_and_white_2
create alias pokemon_xy -> pokemon_x_and_y
create alias pokemon_xy_(prototype) -> pokemon_x_and_y_(prototype)
create alias pokemon_oras -> pokemon_omega_ruby_and_alpha_sapphire
create alias pokemon_sm -> pokemon_sun_and_moon
create alias pokemon_usum -> pokemon_ultra_sun_and_ultra_moon
create alias pokemon_swsh -> pokemon_sword_and_shield
create alias pokemon_bdsp -> pokemon_brilliant_diamond_and_shining_pearl
create alias pokemon_sv -> pokemon_scarlet_and_violet
create alias pokemon_ww -> pokemon_winds_and_waves

I'm surprised no one's suggested this until now, but since commas can't be used in tags, why not use slashes for the tags that cover more than two games? Like my previous BURs, I don't really have any strong feelings on this one way or the other, but this does seem like something that could work.

This works really well because our autocomplete already works for slashes (first good thing to come out of Fate (Series)).

nonamethanks said in forum #422279:

This works really well because our autocomplete already works for slashes (first good thing to come out of Fate (Series)).

Then make them all slashes. The inconcistency in the tag list/autocomplete is going to look like shit when we have ten tags like pokemon_diamond/pearl/platinum sitting next to another ten in the pokemon_black_and_white format.

evazion said in forum #423779:

Commas could be allowed in tags if we'd prefer that. The main reason they're disallowed is because historically they were used to separate tags in some places (they still are in some obscure places like https://danbooru.donmai.us/tags?search[name_comma]=1girl,2girls, which hopefully no one actually uses).

This would also be an acceptable solution, though it would also open up several cans of worms such as a blitz of copyright tag renames and arguments over whether we should use the oxford comma.

KoakumaBR said in forum #420806:

BUR #55493 has been rejected.

remove alias pokemon_yellow -> pokemon_rgby
create implication pokemon_yellow -> pokemon_rgby

Like Pokemon Emerald and Platinum, Pokemon Yellow isn't just a Pokemon Red/Green/Blue v2, but a whole other storyline as the "game from anime" where you get Pikachu and both the three starters.

As the tags are being discussed as a whole, I believe that a parallel topic would be pointless

This needs its own topic. Make a favgroup for posts you think should fall under it, too.

AngryZapdos said in forum #423781:

Then make them all slashes. The inconcistency in the tag list/autocomplete is going to look like shit when we have ten tags like pokemon_diamond/pearl/platinum sitting next to another ten in the pokemon_black_and_white format.

I mean, it's only four tags, unless you count the *_(prototype) tags. I think it's fine to make an exception for the first four gens, though that's mainly because I think having a slash in a tag with only two games just looks a little off. (That might just be a me thing; there's nothing inherently wrong with that approach.)

BKaz20 said in forum #424265:

I mean, it's only four tags, unless you count the *_(prototype) tags. I think it's fine to make an exception for the first four gens, though that's mainly because I think having a slash in a tag with only two games just looks a little off. (That might just be a me thing; there's nothing inherently wrong with that approach.)

But then you also have pokemon black 2 and white 2 or pokemon ultra sun and ultra moon which are super long for no reason, or you'd have pokemon black and white and pokemon black 2/white 2 which is inconsistent for no reason.

We could also have pokemon black & white, but then pokemon red & green & blue & yellow would look extra stupid.

If commas in tags are possible to enable, then can't we just do that? Personally I'd rather stick to the format that's used the most across different websites, which would be "Pokemon Black and White" and so on.

nonamethanks said in forum #424993:

But then you also have pokemon black 2 and white 2 or pokemon ultra sun and ultra moon which are super long for no reason, or you'd have pokemon black and white and pokemon black 2/white 2 which is inconsistent for no reason.

Is length really an issue? While those two examples are long, I've seen plenty of copytags for other franchises that are just as long, if not longer. Still, I wouldn't be opposed to shortening them to pokemon black and white 2 and pokemon ultra sun and moon. No clue what to do for LGPE though.

BKaz20 said in forum #425122:

Is length really an issue? While those two examples are long, I've seen plenty of copytags for other franchises that are just as long, if not longer. Still, I wouldn't be opposed to shortening them to pokemon black and white 2 and pokemon ultra sun and moon. No clue what to do for LGPE though.

We try to avoid long tags when possible because they wrap around in the tag list and look really bad, so yes sometimes it's a concern. It doesn't really matter for official titles, but in cases like these where we're coming up with a tag name just for ourselves anyway, we might as well use a name that doesn't stick out like a sore thumb.

Another alternative would be "&" for two games and slashes for others, so pokemon black & white, pokemon ultra sun & ultra moon, pokemon red/green/blue/yellow. We're only adding two extra characters compared to slashes for two-game entries, so it looks less jarring for them.

A third alternative would just have the two main games, and add the others as aliases: so pokemon gold & silver and pokemon crystal as alias to it; pokemon red & green with pokemon yellow and pokemon blue aliased to it. This way we avoid overly long names, but not sure how people feel about that. This final option also opens the door for making the tags for updated versions subtags instead of aliases without renaming the parent tag, if we decide it's worth it in the future.

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nonamethanks said in forum #425482:

A third alternative would just have the two main games, and add the others as aliases: so pokemon gold & silver and pokemon crystal as alias to it; pokemon red & green with pokemon yellow and pokemon blue aliased to it. This way we avoid overly long names, but not sure how people feel about that. This final option also opens the door for making the tags for updated versions subtags instead of aliases without renaming the parent tag, if we decide it's worth it in the future.

I actually really like this option. Pokemon games usually have only 2 versions at release anyway.

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