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I'm confused. Is futa without pussy somehow not encompassing whatever concept you wish to search for? Or is it not covered by gender transitioning or transgender flag or androgynous or girly boy or even just trap?
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wingdings said:
as much as futa without pussy is a goofy name for this tag, if this is the alternative, i'd rather the tag name stay as it is.
Sure, but shemale is descriptive; "futa without pussy" is vague. If shemale is too coarse for people, I understand that- but let's get newhalf back! It's a much softer word, older, comes from the east so it's related to danbooru's culture...
Ylimegirl said:
I'm confused. Is futa without pussy somehow not encompassing whatever concept you wish to search for? Or is it not covered by gender transitioning or transgender flag or androgynous or girly boy or even just trap?
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Yes, it isn't. I mean, first, remember that newhalf was the original tag that I was using, so i'm not crazy about replacing it in general. But none of those replacements work properly either-
> gender transitioning
refers to a process, shows male to female or female to male
> transgender flag
refers to the flag obv which is not helpful to describe people's body type, backstory, etc. Also not historically used in the east. That flag is a recent, western invention.
> androgenous
a newhalf is not androgenous; they look mostly female. Androgenous is you can't tell if they're male or female.
> girly boy
somebody who is a male, but effeminate. You could have somebody wearing a t shirt and jeans, who is still obviously a guy, but who is just "girly" for whatever reason (Prince, David Bowie are famous irl examples of this)
> trap
not acceptable for newhalf characters- this wasn't my decision. When I learned that newhalf had been deleted, I tried to use otoko no ko as the next closest option, but it was removed by a builder. Don't know if he was in the right or wrong, but the tag was removed. post #10592836
So, what does newhalf mean? Well, it's a old word, I believe it originates from japan. Refers ONLY to a biologically male person who wishes to present as female, and has gotten breast implants to hrt to allow them to do that. Literally- they have a "new half."
This is somewhat related to the modern phenomenon of "trans" people, but the word "trans" comes from the west, and it is a newer word. refers to both biologically male and female people. And culturally, it's slightly different; people who identify as newhalf or ladyboy or whatever are far more willing to acknowledge and openly play with the part of themselves that is still "half male." Trans female people don't really like that.
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TheGreens said:
Yes, it isn't. I mean, first, remember that newhalf was the original tag that I was using, so i'm not crazy about replacing it in general. But none of those replacements work properly either-
> gender transitioning
refers to a process, shows male to female or female to male
> transgender flag
refers to the flag obv which is not helpful to describe people's body type, backstory, etc. Also not historically used in the east. That flag is a recent, western invention.
> androgenous
a newhalf is not androgenous; they look mostly female. Androgenous is you can't tell if they're male or female.
> girly boy
somebody who is a male, but effeminate. You could have somebody wearing a t shirt and jeans, who is still obviously a guy, but who is just "girly" for whatever reason (Prince, David Bowie are famous irl examples of this)
> trap
not acceptable for newhalf characters- this wasn't my decision. When I learned that newhalf had been deleted, I tried to use otoko no ko as the next closest option, but it was removed by a builder. Don't know if he was in the right or wrong, but the tag was removed. post #10592836
So, what does newhalf mean? Well, it's a old word, I believe it originates from japan. Refers ONLY to a biologically male person who wishes to present as female, and has gotten breast implants to hrt to allow them to do that. Literally- they have a "new half."
This is somewhat related to the modern phenomenon of "trans" people, but the word "trans" comes from the west, and it is a newer word. refers to both biologically male and female people. And culturally, it's slightly different; people who identify as newhalf or ladyboy or whatever are far more willing to acknowledge and openly play with the part of themselves that is still "half male." Trans female people don't really like that.
otoko no ko was aliased to trap in topic #31701
pls don't post on it
it's a 24 page thread with hundreds of posts arguing about whether that was a good idea or not (btw it was a bad idea according to me). basically no matter what happens to these tags someone is going to complain about something and honestly i don't want to have to deal with people complaining that the character should be tagged 1girl/futa instead of 1boy/trap/male focus/yaoi or vice-versa. too much of a pain in the ass. let's all just pretend that the status quo is working fine and move on with life
also futanari is older than newhalf btw. it's like, archaic japanese. newhalf is relatively recent
TheGreens said:
Sure, but shemale is descriptive; "futa without pussy" is vague. If shemale is too coarse for people, I understand that- but let's get newhalf back! It's a much softer word, older, comes from the east so it's related to danbooru's culture...
Futa without pussy is infinitely more descriptive than shemale, since it clearly communicates that the character depicted is effectively just like most futanari, except with the choice to not depict the pussy as well. Shemale, newhalf, etc. all imply an element in the art that the vast majority does not feature.
TheGreens said:
I mean, first, remember that newhalf was the original tag that I was using, so i'm not crazy about replacing it in general.
This suggests that you were not using the tag correctly, because that's not what newhalf was being used for. After several years of discourse dating all the way back to 2011, it was decided that the tag was made for "girls with dicks but no vaginas", and since we go with the broader definition of futa on Danbooru as the "girls with dicks" tag (as stated earlier in this very topic, forum #306449), that means it falls under futa. If you have been canon-tagging newhalf characters, then you contributed to the rename to 'futa without pussy' happening in the first place.
Which is to say, you should have even more reason to support this rename happening and for the alias to be finally removed, because then you can finally have the tag you wanted to use all along, as opposed to incorrectly using a different tag up to this point.
TheGreens said:
So, what does newhalf mean? Well, it's a old word, I believe it originates from japan. Refers ONLY to a biologically male person who wishes to present as female, and has gotten breast implants to hrt to allow them to do that. Literally- they have a "new half."
This is somewhat related to the modern phenomenon of "trans" people, but the word "trans" comes from the west, and it is a newer word. refers to both biologically male and female people. And culturally, it's slightly different; people who identify as newhalf or ladyboy or whatever are far more willing to acknowledge and openly play with the part of themselves that is still "half male." Trans female people don't really like that.
Most artists who draw newhalfs aren't thinking about any of this shit, they just want to take a female character and stick a cock and balls on her.
Regarding what you said in that picture's comments, a character's backstory has no impact on tagging, only what's shown in the image matters.
TheGreens said:
Sure, but shemale is descriptive; "futa without pussy" is vague. If shemale is too coarse for people, I understand that- but let's get newhalf back! It's a much softer word, older, comes from the east so it's related to danbooru's culture...
i see the way vndb does it as an ideal-case scenario, where dickgirl[1] (equivalent to what we call futa without pussy), futanari (equivalent to what we call full-package futanari), and transgender are all distinct categories.
the reason i don't like futa without pussy is because i see it as an oxymoron. "futanari" to me means exclusively someone with both sets of genitals, there's no such thing as a futanari without a pussy. you don't see us putting cuntboys in our male futanari tag because everyone rightfully recognizes how nonsensical that would be.
1. still not ideal, but hey, at least it doesn't have an entire section on wikipedia detailing the ways it's seen as derogatory.
wingdings said:
the reason i don't like futa without pussy is because i see it as an oxymoron. "futanari" to me means exclusively someone with both sets of genitals, there's no such thing as a futanari without a pussy. you don't see us putting cuntboys in our male futanari tag because everyone rightfully recognizes how nonsensical that would be.
Regardless of how oxymoronic the name is, it makes sense in the context of Danbooru. As the wiki for futanari says, it's "a female character with male genitalia." How most people refer to futa in English focuses exclusively on the penis part, regardless of what the actual Japanese means, and how we use futa accomodates for that interpretation (especially since the Japanese themselves make it easy to accomodate). This is part of why we have had a long history of English-language 'futa experts and purists' bitching and moaning how the futanari tag should actually be called dickgirl, and use 'futanari' for the untagged no-testicle-with-pussy futa, completely ignoring the fact that a) dickgirl is often used just as much for futas as it is for newhalves, so were dickgirl the main tag, we'd probably be calling the tag this thread is about 'dickgirl without pussy' instead; b) the term's also been used to refer to trans women derogatorily, which wouldn't impact us specifically in term usage (hence why we still have it as an alias for futa), but would probably result in some mistags in the same way 'newhalf' did for futa without pussy.
And on cuntboys and malefutas, just as evazion said for futa, "A person blacklisting futanari almost certainly doesn't want to see newhalf either. You shouldn't have to filter out N different tags just to filter out girls with dicks," doesn't the same logic apply for guys with vaginas? That's what I argued in forum #306446 and forum #402949, and the only reason why we haven't done with malefutas like we did with futas is because NNT is maintaining an arbitrary distinction due to thinking the visible penis for malefutas would alienate those who want to see cuntboy-tier stuff from malefuta. I'd argue it's nonsensical we keep this distinction despite doing the same with futa, where futas with or without vaginas can appear indistinguishable, and no rotten tomatoes thrown my way by everyone else can dissuade me from this stance.
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Damian0358 said:
touche, to be fair i do recognize how idealistic my envisioned setup is.
i suspect the actual problem at this point is that all the language we use for nonstandard sexes and/or gender nonconformity is nigh-unusable in a serious capacity with the way every word blends into each other in common use (a million times so in a pornography context). it's a problem that can hardly be solved short of inventing new vocabulary, and it's how we got to futa without pussy being a tag name that exists.
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wingdings said:
i suspect the actual problem at this point is that all the language we use for nonstandard sexes and/or gender nonconformity is nigh-unusable in a serious capacity with the way every word blends into each other in common use (a million times so in a pornography context). it's a problem that can hardly be solved short of inventing new vocabulary, and it's how we got to futa without pussy being a tag name that exists.
Yeah, and the issue with inventing new vocabulary is having people actually agree to use that vocabulary over existing options, otherwise we have this situation. Given current circumstances, futa without pussy or variants thereof, like 'vaginaless futanari' or 'dickgirl without pussy', are the best to explicitly communicate the tag's concept.
trapster77 said:
otoko no ko was aliased to trap in topic #31701
pls don't post on it
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Don't worry, I'm not getting into the otoko no ko/ trap debate alias, I don't actually care about that tone. I'm just saying that this one builder took issue when I used it in place of newhalf- (which I only needed to do because newhalf was deleted.)
Damian0358 said:
Given current circumstances, futa without pussy or variants thereof, like 'vaginaless futanari' or 'dickgirl without pussy', are the best to explicitly communicate the tag's concept.
Sure, but we can have that AND newhalf at the same time.
Futa for everybody, and newhalf only when appropriate.
I'm trying to get more specific to a known archetipe that was already popular.
What we've essentially done here is alias the term "trap" and "effeminate" together.
TheGreens said:
I'm trying to get more specific to a known archetipe that was already popular.
What we've essentially done here is alias the term "trap" and "effeminate" together.
I hope you don't mind me chuckling a bit, because your view represents the position that lost in the great newhalf debate wars from years ago, and you've returned just in time to make the argument to take back newhalf for your side now that the "girls with dicks but no vaginas" side has been given a clearer tag.
I would tell you to follow your dreams and propose a BUR, but unfortunately, two months ago I proposed the unalias myself in forum #399656, and it got rejected. Since NNT made no comment on the reason for that rejection being due to newhalf with male, newhalf with female, newhalf with newhalf and futa with newhalf remaining unrenamed (though that realistically shouldn't stop it), I assume that the main reason why the alias wasn't removed, besides the downvotes obviously, is because people are still searching using the alias probably. I never demanded an explanation though, but you're free to demand one from him yourself.
Damian0358 said:
My side is simply that we need a tag that can describe an archetype. I'm perfectly ready to accept "trans" or "ladyboy." I'd rather have what worked before, but I'll take what I can get.
What I find weird, and annoying, is that a few people here whether they realize it or not are basically arguing against the very concept of tagging; we had something that described a thing, and we got rid of it, and never replaced it.
So basically we're fighting against the whole point of having tags in the first place.
TheGreens said:
My side is simply that we need a tag that can describe an archetype. I'm perfectly ready to accept "trans" or "ladyboy." I'd rather have what worked before, but I'll take what I can get.
What I find weird, and annoying, is that a few people here whether they realize it or not are basically arguing against the very concept of tagging; we had something that described a thing, and we got rid of it, and never replaced it.
So basically we're fighting against the whole point of having tags in the first place.
Tags aren't really meant to describe "archetypes" the way you're imagining them. They mostly describe the visual content of an image. A newhalf is, for all intents and purposes, a futa without a pussy, so that's what it got renamed into. Your idea goes beyond the scope of tags because it digs more into a character's background which can't be seen from just visual info.
TheGreens said:
My side is simply that we need a tag that can describe an archetype. I'm perfectly ready to accept "trans" or "ladyboy." I'd rather have what worked before, but I'll take what I can get.
What I find weird, and annoying, is that a few people here whether they realize it or not are basically arguing against the very concept of tagging; we had something that described a thing, and we got rid of it, and never replaced it.
So basically we're fighting against the whole point of having tags in the first place.
BaiserLaVerite said:
Tags aren't really meant to describe "archetypes" the way you're imagining them. They mostly describe the visual content of an image. A newhalf is, for all intents and purposes, a futa without a pussy, so that's what it got renamed into. Your idea goes beyond the scope of tags because it digs more into a character's background which can't be seen from just visual info.
While I agree with Baiser here, TheGreens hasn't actually shown off what he imagines, bar a few posts. While I'll continue to insist that 'newhalf' was not what he imagined it to be, he still needs to prove that what he actually wants is worth being a tag. And for that, TheGreens needs to make a favorite group.
TheGreens, I would like to ask that you make a favorite group that features what you would consider examples of the 'newhalf' tag that you want, which you would then link here to show. This would serve as the best test environment.
