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CitrusC said:

No, I'm saying it's entertainment catering to that degeneracy not merely they happen to enjoy it. "Hitler liked dogs thus all dogs are bad" is not the argument. "Jewish snuff is made for Hitler" is the point. It's catering and normalization that's the source of the argument.
The intent of the entertainment isn't tangentally appealing to awful people, it's directly marketing toward them.

So you're saying loli genre is tailored for paedophiles? I don't know about you, but I don't think paedophiles target fictional characters, they target real people and that's what's disgusting. The fact, it might also be enjoyed by paedophiles doesn't mean it was tailored for them, we don't make movies about horrifying gore and serial killers, because it's something actual serial killers would enjoy, it's because a lot of people enjoy the fictional aspect of such a scenario and the unfortunate side effect is that serial killers may like it too and be inspired by it, but that doesn't make that piece of entertainment an endorsement call for more serial killers.

The whole theme of equating loli genre to paedophilia is a horribly vague opinion that only takes into account those who cannot separate fiction from reality and thus blur it intentionally, but that does not mean that piece suddenly becomes 'normalisation' of that tag. There may be higher percentage of people who enjoy it in a more lewd way, but most to nearly all, do not find attraction to children, it's the fiction aspect which they're more lured to not the reality aspect; basic self-control doesn't suddenly fly out of the window for anything with risque, controversial or gore related themes. It's also why we shouldn't equate furries to suddenly being responsible for increases in zoophilia, just because that genre exists, doesn't mean people who like to pretend to be anthropomorphic creatures like to shag dogs and cats.

CitrusC said:

No, I'm saying it's entertainment catering to that degeneracy not merely they happen to enjoy it. "Hitler liked dogs thus all dogs are bad" is not the argument. "Jewish snuff is made for Hitler" is the point. It's catering and normalization that's the source of the argument.
The intent of the entertainment isn't tangentally appealing to awful people, it's directly marketing toward them.

The artists get off on fictional kids, and they're catering to other people who get off on fictional kids. Sure, there may be some true pedophiles and even child rapists who enjoy it, but they're usually a periphery demographic. As long as they're not doing anything harmful to real children or benefiting from the harm of real children, I see no reason to judge them.

One thing I do agree with is that lolicon/shotacon stuff (as in the sexualized stuff, not the sanitized loli/shota-adjacent stuff) should not be normalized. It is inherently an alienating genre and therefore should not be pushed on mainstream audiences. Lolicon/shotacon-free spaces do need to be maintained so typical fans of a franchise can continue to interact with it comfortably. It's harmful to both sides when loli/shota fans spread memes to the general fandom of a mainstream franchise and when anti-loli/shota people invade loli/shota groups to call them degenerates. Good fences make for good neighbors and all that.

Kaktus_Lata said:

If a guy jacks off to a drawing of wolves, does that mean he's not a zoophile?

That's the thing; he is technically a zoophile just as a lolicon or shotacon is technically a pedophile, but the latter term is so strongly associated with criminals like child rapists that a lot of them don't want that label attached to them. They know if you call someone a pedo that others will jump to the worst possible interpretation of what that means.

Frankly, I don't care what someone's attracted to as long as they have the sense and self-control not to act on it in ways harmful to others.

EDIT: Forgot to clarify that my point was that watching two people murder each other on TV is fundamentally different from watching porn. You are, let's say, a more "active" participant in the latter. But thanks to compartmentalization, people can enjoy it without getting the urge to apply for a second job as an ice cream truck driver.

Kaktus_Lata said:

If a guy jacks off to a drawing of wolves, does that mean he's not a zoophile?

If a guy likes The Godfather, does that not mean he wants to be in organized crime?

marcymal said:

If a guy likes The Godfather, does that not mean he wants to be in organized crime?

I did not care for the Godfather

Kumihou said:

So you're saying loli genre is tailored for paedophiles?

Yes, who else enjoys children being dicked?

X-Sam said:

I did not care for the Godfather

How can you even say that, X-Sam?

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