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high_status_bastard said:

Wtf is this hot garbage, why a person who just for expample, wants to play a simple silly game or whatever shit is in appstore, compare to literal pedofiles, I know that you will say "achtualy is a drawing of a girl, not a literal girl", it is still by definition an attraction to minors, and what is it about society to demonize video games as if they were Hitler's machination to destroy minorities or something similar, jeez

you just answered your own question in what you said. some people react to video games the way you did over a drawing. they see video game violence and correlate that into being actual violence.

compositenlf said:

you just answered your own question in what you said. some people react to video games the way you did over a drawing. they see video game violence and correlate that into being actual violence.

I think you are being disingenuous if you think the argument that depiction of the act = act.
The point of actual contention is that depictions legitimize it and condone it as entertainment.

CitrusC said:

I think you are being disingenuous if you think the argument that depiction of the act = act.
The point of actual contention is that depictions legitimize it and condone it as entertainment.

The same points have been made about fictional violence in media, but most people don't really seem to care anymore and gamers have always defended violence's place in video games, so it's still hypocritical to argue against loli/shota art and not argue against fictional violence based only on those points. The only difference is that the former is more geared toward getting people off, which makes some people more willing to cross the line from "This is gross and I won't look at it" to "You're gross for liking it and I will judge you" or even "They're gross for promoting it and should be shut down/arrested." The above complaint of "literal pedofiles (sic)" is a good example of this.

CitrusC said:

I think you are being disingenuous if you think the argument that depiction of the act = act.
The point of actual contention is that depictions legitimize it and condone it as entertainment.

The argument has always been playing violent videogames makes you violent in real life. "If you play violent videogames, then you will become more violent, or have violent fantasies, or even have plans to commit violence." When this criticism of videogames was at its peak, several convicted murderers of various ages cited videogames as being why they did it, lending credence to the claims that videogames made people violent.

However, decades of scientific studies have repeatedly failed to find any correlation between playing violent videogames and a tendency to engage in real violence. Anytime a study claims to have found a connection, it always turns out that they heavily misrepresented their findings or used extremely flawed scientific processes resulting in heavily biased results. Several studies even found evidence that playing games actually reduces the likelihood of an individual to commit violence.

Now, what about loli/shota? That's harder to research, mostly for the taboo surrounding the subject, but studies have been conducted, and they've mostly returned the same results as the studies on violent videogames. That is, there's little practical correlation between someone that consumes fictional content of subjects with the appearance of a minor, and someone who actually consumes real life CP or even predates on real children. There's some overlap, but it's the same kind of overlap as seen with videogames. Many people consume the fictional content without ever posing a danger to a real life person, some people never consume fictional content but still go on to create victims, and some consume fictional content and are actual predators. But there's never been any evidence found that consuming fiction leads to committing real life crimes.

It's a stupid argument no matter what the topic, because studies always return the same results. That being that for the average person, X does not cause Y, and someone who commits Y showed all of the signs that they were already predisposed to it with or without X's influence. Consumption of X may even reduce a desire to commit Y.

Tldr: Claiming fictional content creates criminals is scientifically unsupported thought crime BS. Maybe stop doing things like letting pro smash players hang out unsupervised with people half their age instead of screaming at random people on the internet for stroking it to an anime character if you care so much about child abuse.

Perhaps he should have read and understood the X (formerly Twitter) terms of service. Not engaging in self-sabotaging provocateur behavior would also have been smart. I like orenji's art, generally, but this whole affair was very dumb. Anglophone people in general need to understand that this kind of behavior, namely trying to participate in meme culture via phrases like cunny, child gf et al. will not work in your favor if your happen to enjoy any kind risque subculture art. What you'll accomplish is drawing unnecessary attention and getting niche spaces stomped out, exactly like what has happened to booth, fanbox, pixiv request and is currently happening to getchu and dlsite. Twitter (subsequently X) accounts of loli artist have been getting actively nuked since 2018, how about developing some sense of self-preservation? Do you never stop to think why eastern creators (ie, the ones creating the good works) do not behave this way?

As a tangent - I posit that the broader problem here is that the modern algorithm driven Internet and "meme culture" has stunted people's minds and they do not understand what a subculture even is or how it is supposed to function. Everything is meant to be a big spectacle to appeal to the broadest possible contingent of loud retards in an endlessly brutal regression to the mean. No space can exist separated from other spaces and serve a specific set of needs to a specific group of people, and even if it manages to emerge the algorithm with inevitably drag it out and try to make a spectacle out of it. Creators end up participating in it because no one wants to dwell in obscurity and the notion that overexposure is damaging only becomes apparent after the damage is done. Is there even a way for a niche to safely exist anymore? Only temporarily, until it has to contend with meme culture. When it reaches that point, talking about the damage done to spaces like pixiv and dlsite or how creators are getting censored is futile because the people brought in never cared about it on a primary, direct way, but only on the meme level (socialization, not works or creators).

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