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hotmakiroll said in comment #2561419:

Protect Luce from what...rationale thinking? Tolerance toward others? Oh, how satanic of the internet

Rule 24. You must be naive or ignorant indeed if you don't understand such a basic concept.

Then there's the abject and intolerant hatred of Christianity that infests large swaths of the world, leading to innocent people being murdered and harassed because they profess Christ as their Lord.

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This particular Chinese meme... I don't know where it is coming from, but it sounds REALLY unwise. Not everyone has a constructive or well-informed & thought-out comment to contribute to a conversation. Some people, in fact, should NOT respond to topics. The internet is already a shitty place to have a conversation because anyone can suddenly chip in at any time with their own stupid opinion based on misinformation. Demanding participation for participation's sake can lead to confusion in the thread as fires spread beyond a manageable and readable point for others, and whatever is left is just non-burnable garbage.

... sorta like a bamboo forest conflagration, MOKOU.

So, to counter this: "Quiet. Adults are talking."

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Dragon_Samurai said:
i wonder if they'll ever be a wall paper version like this for Shizuka. come to think of it she's never really been on the cover of any of the books either.

This means she may well die by the end of volume 5... This is just a theory, but just in case spoiler tags added.

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MordredLinked said in comment #2580157:

Lmao she can have that guy, hope she's content with a random nobody after she wasted her chances with Humanities savior.

I don't understand logic with adding NTR in NIKKE. You're choosing a nobody over the equivalent to one of the top men in that world. It's just a downgrade really.

That's what I'm saying!!! If the The Cummander is the son/clone of Andersen it's even more of a dumb idea to fuck with the Cummander. We saw Andersen wipe out the V.T.C. by himself as a baseline human while injured.

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I totally get why the artist chooses to deep-fry their art with the AI-poison-patterns but like, fuck. I wish we lived in a world without AI... her legs look like they're bruised...It's fucked up that this is what an artist has to do to avoid their art being crunched into the machine without their consent

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MysteriousLounger said in comment #2582307:

It's fucked up that this is what an artist has to do to avoid their art being crunched into the machine without their consent

They don't have to do it because it doesn't work. There are so many ways for trainers to filter out adversarial noise (upscaling then downscaling, blur/deblur, img2img using the noisy image as reference), and that's all assuming they're not training for a model that already knows how to ignore the noise. Adversarial noise is as effective against trainers as a note saying "pretty please no training".

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marcymal said in comment #2582318:

They don't have to do it because it doesn't work. There are so many ways for trainers to filter out adversarial noise (upscaling then downscaling, blur/deblur, img2img using the noisy image as reference), and that's all assuming they're not training for a model that already knows how to ignore the noise. Adversarial noise is as effective against trainers as a note saying "pretty please no training".

I mean, that's an interesting definition of "doesn't work". It inflicts costs on the adversary; every technique you mentioned, blur, upscale-downscale or img-to-img, adversarial training for the transformer itself to ignore the noise--all of them come with costs. Monetary costs, time costs, costs in terms of lower learning efficiency per parameter because the model has to encode resilience to adversarial noise. That's all costs; disproportionate costs, even, in particular the added cost in training time and parameter size to harden models against adversarial patterns. That's hugely asymmetric, a really incredible amount of effect to inflict for relatively little effort. Of course, now we're in a situation were the old noise isn't good enough, doesn't have any effect, so the noise here is worse, more annoying, larger to resist down-scaling, louder to resist img-to-img... there are diminishing returns. And, yes, it doesn't "work" in the sense of preventing theft altogether. But, it does "work" in the sense of inflicting costs. Shot exchange. If a terrorist throws 100 drones each costing 10k at a US military base, and they shoot down every single one with a patriot missile costing 5 million bucks a pop, the terrorist still won that engagement despite not scoring a single hit. it's about an exchange of costs. in an adversarial situation like this one, the artists are expending resources, the trainers are also expending resource. Of course there's a huge gulf in available resource between them, and I'm not suggesting that the costs inflicted on trainers by adversarial noise come even close to the kind of ratio I just spit-balled there with the drones and the missiles. indeed at some point, once they've hardened their models against noise, the ongoing costs to the trainers (which is just the cost of running a slightly larger model that can encode that noise resistance) are maybe marginal. maybe the shot-exchange problem no longer favours the artists. Maybe it never did to begin with (although--I do really doubt that. Training a model to resist noise in this way requires either fully re-architecting and re-training it, unless there's some new advancements in the field, since I was last up to date with the research, which, I will admit, it has been several years since I was working with this stuff in the lab. Hell, we used CNNs. Those were the good old days. But, at the time, the state of the art was GANs; so, I feel at least a little confident speaking about them... and they are horrible finicky bastards prone to eating all your work and failing in very particular ways; if they are using adversarial training to harden the transformers against noise, I can only assume the process is similarly painful)
But, point is, it's not clear cut like you make it out to be--it all depends on what the artist wants to actually accomplish by deep-frying their shit. Like, yeah, if they want to fully prevent their art from being trained on, it doesn't work. But if they are satisfied with just inflicting some level of cost, any level of cost and annoyance, on the guys training on their art, then it does work, to some extent

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MysteriousLounger said in comment #2582332:
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Brother, no one in this chain of events defines success as "someone has to spend a few extra seconds making an image dataset-ready". Tools like Nightshade and Glaze are advertised as preventing models from training on the image. Artists who use these tools do so with the intent of preventing their works from being used as training data. Success here means "the image is never used as training data, period" and under that definition, adversarial noise is proving to be as "successful" as a watermark saying "no training please and thank you".

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kett_er said:

there's that kind of story in X men

There is this guy, Jaime Madrox, that can clone himself, and whenever he touches one of these clones absorbs them. Well, one of the clones got a "funny time" with his wife and got her pregnant (she didn't know that was a clone, though was the real Jaime) and after nine months she gave birth to a child, and when the original Jaime was about to hold his son for the first time... I think you can imagine the end 😢

Tbf, that story was bit of as stretch considering that there was only 50% of the clone's material present. And if you want to argue semantics. Actually less than 0.000000001% of him in actuality (i.e. he only provided the genetic material, nothing more). So as devastating as that story is, it makes no sense in any shape or form.

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Elmithian said:

Tbf, that story was bit of as stretch considering that there was only 50% of the clone's material present. And if you want to argue semantics. Actually less than 0.000000001% of him in actuality (i.e. he only provided the genetic material, nothing more). So as devastating as that story is, it makes no sense in any shape or form.

That's true, is not 100% Jaime's DNA so it's not possible, still sad to imagine your newborn disappearing in your arms