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Lick_King said:
I for one would like to go under a new, preferred username, since I decided to be a regular member and contribute to Danbooru.
This. I was also wondering if a name change is possible for those who actually want one (and have atleast proved competent / stayed long enough for one)
albert said:
I will eventually migrate this entire site to Danbooru 2 once I'm satisfied with stability.
Albert, sorry if I'm not missing something obvious, but I can't find the changelog for danbooru 2. What are the main differences I should be looking for? (I got the githb download)
Re: Changing usernames
There will be no changing of usernames. See forum #26773, starting from 葉月's second post.
Hillside_Moose said:
Re: Changing usernamesThere will be no changing of usernames. See forum #26773, starting from 葉月's second post.
Well...
1. That thread does not seem to have a consensus from what I read. Ie I see no "rule" there.
2. When discussing DB2 forum #34926 (page 6) Albert made a list that did include username changes.
IMPORTANT
Require users to enter their password for some sensitive actions.
Ability to change your account name.
Ability to close your account.
Protection against mass assignment.
Eliminate password cookies.
Replace parent/child relationships with anonymous pools. Each post would have a related posts field. This would drive the creation of an anonymous pool.
Use a SSL cert for the login page.
Ability to copy all notes from one post to another.
Single post pagination mode.
Ability to pull related tags from the wiki.
3. Most importantly, the function is already active in testbooru. You can change your username.
Anyway,
I was referring to cleaning up the old and now effectively dead ones.
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From forum #26773:
albert said:
I was thinking of adding a feature to let users change their own name, but I think Hazuki raises a good point that this can potentially give moderators a big headache. Even if name changes were logged, mods would basically have to check the name history any time they wanted to do something. The registration page is pretty clear about the hazards of picking a personal name. So I'm going to disallow name changes from here on out.
Changing usernames may be fine while Danbooru 2 is still in beta, but it's not going to work in the final version.
As for deleting inactive accounts, it would only work if there is absolutely zero activity on the account, otherwise you would be deleting evidence, such as tag edits. Even then, why would you delete them, to call dibs on their now-freed username?
Hillside_Moose said:
From forum #26773:Changing usernames may be fine while Danbooru 2 is still in beta, but it's not going to work in the final version.
Missed that but is that Albert's final stance with regards to danbooru2 as opposed (depending on how you read it) danbooru?
Since he said he would not add the function it seems odd for it to be active on danbooru2 especially considering the age of the post.
I guess a confirmation one way or the other from him with regards to danbooru2 might clear it up.
As for deleting inactive accounts, it would only work if there is absolutely zero activity on the account, otherwise you would be deleting evidence, such as tag edits.
Yes that is what I was getting at, dead account or one that was never used. Also a rename jim -> jim11111111111 or some such could keep a log over time.
Even then, why would you delete them, to call dibs on their now-freed username?
More or less. We all have a preferred username and in some cases not being able to use it because someone picked it 3 years ago but never used it (or stopped using it) is bothersome.
Now this could end up with a new batch of username hording but a time to live on totally inactive accounts (rename with 1111111111111 extension) would somewhat help with that.
Personal feelings on the issue:
I use pyrolight elsewhere but really I have grown tired of using a pseudonym and want to use my real name.
Michael_Fesser works but feels kinda clunky and formal.
I would rather just use Mike or Michael and if they are otherwise dead account names I would love to nab one or the other.
Cyberia-Mix said:
You probably shouldn't have said that.
No I think I should have since I am not trying to hide something or trick anyone.
I am well aware there are people here who get a knot in their shorts over the subject but I don't particularly care since it doesn't break any rules (that I know of) and doesn't affect anything truly important ie the functionality of the site.
It's at least your 5th username that I know of, and if anything you're proving at this very moment why it's so confusing for everyone.
Offhand which also at the same time is a plus for changing them as opposed to new one. The history is still there.
Also I am not discussing the value of name changes as it is not a topic for discussing in this thread (though I do below).
Really this "name" discussion is only about:
Confirmation of the name change function from Albert is what is really at discussion here.
Atm being that name changes are on the test bed and the only conflicting information is subjective (and itself has conflicting information) it seems to be a case of conjecture as to the function not making it to live.
Now to change gears a bit and discuss the issue.
While having multiple accounts could be confusing (statistics speaking), unless one is using them to duck moderation (I could give you the full list if it so amused you) or otherwise use one to boost another somehow, it is still just a statistics thing.
Note: I could be mistaken about how important tracking specific user statistics are to Albert and in that case I do apologize. For anyone else though, well I said it above, I don't care.
Again changing usernames is better is so much as there is no potential to duck/hide/cheat/whatever while all the information is still there. See below for the clear exception.
The other area of confusion would be referencing modifying forum posts form previous accounts without specifically making the connection.
As far as moderation goes each username (assuming changes as opposed to new accounts) should be treated as a blank slate anyway so previous infractions on the account (as opposed to the name) are not relevant until the next time the user is moderated and at that point previous infractions would be visible.
Now if you were to say change the username (bob) to (bob1) and reuse (bob) (new account) to avoid previous moderation then yes there is an issue.
Obviously I am not making friends with this post but as was said many times; Danbooru is serious business. So unless I somehow am hurting the business of Danbooru, any differences of opinion with other users (excluding Albert and Jhx) is nothing but pointless bickering.
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Even if the the profile stats are kept (much better, I agree), not everyone is going to figure out that old and new user are the same person. Aside from moderation this is also a valuable piece of information for forums.
I don't quite understand how you can not see this already but here goes.
As you read a forum, you get to know its users—their knowledge, mood, biases. You learn who is likely to reply to which threads, what they'll write, and what needs to be put into perspective depending on the writer.
In turn it spares you unnecessary replies, explanations, and tells you where to insist / give up during a debate.
Thanks to this the regulars are able to operate the forum smoothly.
You're reading yet another ToS-hate thread (or whatever), and there's a complain you're now seeing for the third time in two years from different users. You'd think it's getting serious enough to change your stance, then it turns out later that it was the same person all along.
You're in some recurring drama explaining yet again the same stuff in each new thread, and it turns out your opponent was that blockhead you had already wasted your time with last year.
The point here is that though not critical, name changing still brings unnecessary disruptions to the forums, which indeed constitutes hurting Danbooru's business to me.
Ironically, by the time I was able to figure out that you had multiple accounts and recommend you for an invite for the total of your contributions, you had already upgraded your latest account (that or someone else was faster than me).
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Cyberia-Mix said:
As you read a forum, you get to know its users—their knowledge, mood, biases. You learn who is likely to reply to which threads, what they'll write, and what needs to be put into perspective depending on the writer.
While there is some use in knowing the users there is also a big issue with elitism.
A new guy with a good idea could very well be totally ignored by most of the forum goers unless someone of note happens to come along and post in the thread.
Too often, who posts in the thread becomes more important then the content.
It's something I have noticed recently.
In turn it spares you unnecessary replies, explanations, and tells you where to insist / give up during a debate.
Thanks to this the regulars are able to operate the forum smoothly.
I don't quite see it the same way.
Rarely do people offer more information then is needed where someone goes "ya already knew that". Generally it seems to be the opposite.
Also very few users ever fell into the "might as well give up" to category. 葉月 was the only one of real note in that regard.
Lastly I very strongly disagree that the "regulars" are operating the forum smoothly.
While the regulars do keep the "where can I find this" posts down (and sometimes can be unnecessary big dicks about it), this forum for actual discussion on subjects (reaching any sort of a resolution) has gone way downhill since my first account (Siegmund).
I am not totally disagreeing with you, but in some ways as I said above the user has become more important then the subject.
You're reading yet another ToS-hate thread (or whatever), and there's a complain you're now seeing for the third time in two years from different users. You'd think it's getting serious enough to change your stance, then it turns out later that it was the same person all along.
I can see your point though it is a bit of an exaggeration IMO. Also if the above situation does happen the issue probably should have been looked at before.
You're in some recurring drama explaining yet again the same stuff in each new thread, and it turns out your opponent was that blockhead you had already wasted your time with last year.
I did specifically note that ducking moderation is a issue and I agree there is that problem.
This also happens regardless of anything else.
The point here is that though not critical, name changing still brings unnecessary disruptions to the forums, which indeed constitutes hurting Danbooru's business to me.
I can see this but at the same time I think it's only a factor with regards to moderation issues upon an account.
Basically to some degree I like the idea of "userless posts" but with stronger forum moderation.
Ironically, by the time I was able to figure out that you had multiple accounts and recommend you for an invite for the total of your contributions, you had already upgraded your latest account (that or someone else was faster than me).
For pyrolight it was Albert (wanted to give back deal).
BTW I do appreciate the nod.
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So what else will be on this "Danbooru 2" and what will be changed? I've been coming to this site for 2 months now but only got an account like a week and a half ago so if/how would that affect me. plus also might i recomend a "jump to page" feature cause if you did that would be great because i hate when i'm going through a certain tag and I have to do something else and can't catch up with out going through a hundred+ pages plus also that "you can only search up to page 1,000" that in my opinion needs to go. so there's a few suggestions about a jump page feature on images and favorites and so on. well got to get back to slaving away at work so I'd really appreciate these changes and I think alot of others would to.
vladtet909 said:
So what else will be on this "Danbooru 2" and what will be changed? I've been coming to this site for 2 months now but only got an account like a week and a half ago so if/how would that affect me.
For the most part it would just be a minor change in some functionality and where/how you can do things.
Basically one of the ideas was to streamline some aspects of danbooru for DB2.
I've deployed an update after fixing several issues, most of them related to javascripts and missing features.
If you come across any problems or questions, the best way is to create a Github issue at https://github.com/r888888888/danbooru/issues
Just a quick update if Albert does not get to it right away.
Passwords do work just not as intended atm. Yours will be blank if you edited your profile and didn't put a "new password" in.
No more channeling me.
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