Removing qualifier from Mega Man characters

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BUR #58027 is pending approval.

create alias roll_caskett_(mega_man) -> roll_caskett
create alias tron_bonne_(mega_man) -> tron_bonne
create alias luna_platz_(mega_man) -> luna_platz
create alias geo_stelar_(mega_man) -> geo_stelar
create alias lan_hikari_(mega_man) -> lan_hikari
create alias sonia_strumm_(mega_man) -> sonia_strumm
create alias mayl_sakurai_(mega_man) -> mayl_sakurai
create alias dr._light_(mega_man) -> dr._light
create alias dr._wily_(mega_man) -> dr._wily

These are major Mega Man characters that currently have qualifier in their tags that serve no real purpose. These characters have unique name and surname, there's no other characters with the exact same name as these, so there's no disambiguation issue to be solved.

A character like Hayakawa Aki also doesn't have a qualifier as there's no characters with exact same name. On other hand, a character like Amano Hina (Tenki No Ko) understandably have a qualifier as there's multiple other characters with the exact same name.

Tron Bonne (mega man) could be a little more debatable considering the instrument Trombone, but I hardly see it being a source of confusion as the name is written quite differently.

Dr. Light (mega man) and Dr. Wily (mega man) qualifiers are not needed as well because again it's not being used for disambiguation, and as an example Dr. Eggman doesn't need qualifier as well while having the same naming pattern.

uzheng said in forum #434289:

BUR #58027 is pending approval.

create alias roll_caskett_(mega_man) -> roll_caskett
create alias tron_bonne_(mega_man) -> tron_bonne
create alias luna_platz_(mega_man) -> luna_platz
create alias geo_stelar_(mega_man) -> geo_stelar
create alias lan_hikari_(mega_man) -> lan_hikari
create alias sonia_strumm_(mega_man) -> sonia_strumm
create alias mayl_sakurai_(mega_man) -> mayl_sakurai
create alias dr._light_(mega_man) -> dr._light
create alias dr._wily_(mega_man) -> dr._wily

These are major Mega Man characters that currently have qualifier in their tags that serve no real purpose. These characters have unique name and surname, there's no other characters with the exact same name as these, so there's no disambiguation issue to be solved.

A character like Hayakawa Aki also doesn't have a qualifier as there's no characters with exact same name. On other hand, a character like Amano Hina (Tenki No Ko) understandably have a qualifier as there's multiple other characters with the exact same name.

Tron Bonne (mega man) could be a little more debatable considering the instrument Trombone, but I hardly see it being a source of confusion as the name is written quite differently.

Dr. Light (mega man) and Dr. Wily (mega man) qualifiers are not needed as well because again it's not being used for disambiguation, and as an example Dr. Eggman doesn't need qualifier as well while having the same naming pattern.

i can agree there, but there's to say that some characters like Zero or Iris, there's alot of characters named like them, and so the tag should be used to it in order to not be confused with the other characters from different franchises, for the rest for characters who have original names like Protoman,mega man or Bass, it's usless using the (mega_man) tag here

I believe the stance that led to this predicament is forum #183173:

evazion said in forum #183173:

It's easier for me to qualify everything than to argue over it for 300 different characters.

Coffee's reply corroborates this, unfortunately... We also do this with Arknights: see Zhuang Fangyi (Arknights) and Chen Qianyu (Arknights), for example.

Maybe try peeling these qualifiers off by sub-copyrights instead of trying to do it all at once.

Updated by hasu no hassennen

CoffeeMilkDrinker said in forum #434486:

Dr. Light (Mega Man) should keep the qualifier because DC Comics has three characters named Doctor Light.

That's a fair point, even if there's no posts of that character yet. I may either adjust the BUR or recreate it without the Dr. Light change.

hasu_no_hassennen said in forum #434490:

I believe the stance that led to this predicament is forum #183173:

Coffee's reply corroborates this, unfortunately... We also do this with Arknights: see Zhuang Fangyi (Arknights) and Chen Qianyu (Arknights), for example.

Maybe try peeling these qualifiers off by sub-copyrights instead of trying to do it all at once.

Counterpoint: Yae Miko, Raiden Shogun, and Kamisato Ayaka from Genshin Impact, or the already mentioned Hayakawa Aki from Chainsaw Man.
And let's not forget, because it's a new alias rather than a rename, you will still be able to search those characters by just typing "mega_man" just fine.
I also don't think that applying strict gacha tagging logic to Mega Man, which have different subfranchises over decades and it's not getting consistent new updates, is the optimal way. We didn't add qualifiers to every Gundam or Touhou character for example and never needed to.

uzheng said in forum #434519:

Counterpoint: Yae Miko, Raiden Shogun, and Kamisato Ayaka from Genshin Impact, or the already mentioned Hayakawa Aki from Chainsaw Man.
And let's not forget, because it's a new alias rather than a rename, you will still be able to search those characters by just typing "mega_man" just fine.
I also don't think that applying strict gacha tagging logic to Mega Man, which have different subfranchises over decades and it's not getting consistent new updates, is the optimal way. We didn't add qualifiers to every Gundam or Touhou character for example and never needed to.

You misunderstand. I bring up Arknights because it is a copyright where damn near everything is qualified, whether it's actually needed or not, because most of it should be anyway. There were around 300 character tags to deal with all at once back when this site was migrating over to using localized names for Mega Man (Series), and evazion was not willing to argue over whether some random few characters actually needed the qualifier or not. Therein lies the issue; sheer scale.

Trying to remove qualifiers by selecting a random few to start with (I know they're the most popular ones, but still) is not helping your case. You just seem like you're poking holes in the status quo for no good reason, and when one name isn't unambiguous after all, like Dr. Light (Mega Man), it brings the whole BUR down with it. I'm saying that you should do this in a more structured way, like making a BUR for Mega Man Battle Network (Series) first, then Mega Man Star Force (Series), then maybe, I don't know, Mega Man Legends (Series), one by one. Subseries with characters whose names are mostly unambiguous in nature. This will show that these qualifiers are indeed unnecessary.

If you check the BURs from back then in topic #18239, you'll see that characters from Mega Man (Classic) like Wood Man and Air Man somehow aren't qualified. This is proof that indeed, not everything needs to be qualified. Some of them already aren't. Or they should be hammered in line too. Who knows?

hasu_no_hassennen said in forum #434542:

If you check the BURs from back then in topic #18239, you'll see that characters from Mega Man (Classic) like Wood Man and Air Man somehow aren't qualified. This is proof that indeed, not everything needs to be qualified. Some of them already aren't. Or they should be hammered in line too. Who knows?

The only reason they weren't qualified is because they all follow the exact same x_man format (save for splash_woman), which means they already have half the copyright in their name to begin with. It'd be like if we qualified all the Gundams - imagine how stupid rx-78-2_gundam_(gundam) would be.

hasu_no_hassennen said in forum #434542:

You misunderstand. I bring up Arknights because it is a copyright where damn near everything is qualified, whether it's actually needed or not, because most of it should be anyway.

I brought up cases where most or at least a lot characters in the same copyright have qualifiers (Genshin Impact, Chainsaw Man as examples), but not every single one have, which doesn't align perfectly with your Arknights example, or a supposed rule every single character tag should have qualifiers as well, whether they are serving a purpose of disambiguation or not.

There were around 300 character tags to deal with all at once back when this site was migrating over to using localized names for Mega Man (Series), and evazion was not willing to argue over whether some random few characters actually needed the qualifier or not. Therein lies the issue; sheer scale.

Trying to remove qualifiers by selecting a random few to start with (I know they're the most popular ones, but still) is not helping your case. You just seem like you're poking holes in the status quo for no good reason, and when one name isn't unambiguous after all, like Dr. Light (Mega Man), it brings the whole BUR down with it. I'm saying that you should do this in a more structured way, like making a BUR for Mega Man Battle Network (Series) first, then Mega Man Star Force (Series), then maybe, I don't know, Mega Man Legends (Series), one by one. Subseries with characters whose names are mostly unambiguous in nature. This will show that these qualifiers are indeed unnecessary.

I made a smaller BUR with the more popular characters (rather than hundreds of random ones) that actually have unnecessary qualifiers so it's easier and more straightforward way to analyze than a larger list, and test if it's even a valid idea to remove the qualifiers for these Mega Man tags (which is the main point of this forum topic).
You said yourself and paraphrasing evazion that the scale can be a problem when discussing these tags. Making a much bigger BUR for every case at once can be too much and not really productive. But I agree these could perhaps be structured as separate BURs per subfranchise.
I'm open to critic but I noticed the tone of your words sounds more accusatory than constructive.

If you check the BURs from back then in topic #18239, you'll see that characters from Mega Man (Classic) like Wood Man and Air Man somehow aren't qualified. This is proof that indeed, not everything needs to be qualified. Some of them already aren't. Or they should be hammered in line too. Who knows?

I'm familiar with topic #18239, you may notice a few comments I made there at the time agreeing with the localization changes but suggesting that characters with full names didn't need qualifiers. However, the BURs were approved without much discussion, as you can see.
You also brought up the inconsistency that some other tags still don't have qualifiers. I'd argue that Wood Man and Air Man are much more ambiguous sounding names than Mayl Sakurai (Mega Man).

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