This is going to be a big one, here we go --
PersonalFowl said in forum #432360:
Something to keep in mind is how to handle situations like post #11072120 where it's ambiguous if that's Peter Parker or Miles Morales
Damian0358 said in forum #432364:
Technically, nonamethanks already answered that.
But I raised that point earlier in the preceding topic #34656, where I pushed against the wholesale branding of Spider-Man into Peter Parker (Spider-Man) when it's never been used for just Peter. Doing that change would require gardening that tag and making a decision on all the Spider-Men who wear similar suits to Peter, ala Spider-Man (Original Suit) and Spider-Man (Original Black Suit), especially since Peter himself has enough variance with his suits (and thankfully no one has been insane enough to propose something, like, making a tag for Maguire!Spider-Man's suit, which is distinct from Garfield!Spider-Man's suit and Holland!Spider-Man's suit in the same way it is distinct from Yamashiro Takuya's suit).
Cases where it's ambiguous which differently-named character it is are VERY few, because different characters' suits are made to be distinct for branding reasons. If you see the original blue suit you can just assume it's peter parker without having to worry too much.
The real problem is cases like Peter B Parker, but the real question is whether Peter B Parker should imply Peter Parker - or in general, how to deal with alternate universe versions of the same character.
There's two ways to solve this that I can think of:
In my suggested proposal, and assuming we treat alternate version as additional modifier chartags and not entire new layers of implications:
post #8376961 would look like this:
post #6482175 would be like this (assuming we create further subtags for all the billion different suits):
- peter parker (umbrella tag for peter parker, whether dressed as spiderman or not)
If we instead treat them as separate characters:
post #8376961 would look like this:
post #6482175 would like this (again, assuming we create further subtags for all the billion different suits):
The second option here is more pleasing for me in the first case, but the second case reveals the bigger problem: if we have subtags for variations of the suit, then it becomes a true clusterfuck because we either have a stray Spider-Man (Original Suit) that implies nothing, or we have to make peter parker (comics) (spider-man) (original suit) too (Peter B Parker does not need it because he doesnt have other suits).
And keep in mind, miles morales could appear twice too, as the one from the comic, and the one from the spider-verse movie, because they are technically different characters! This is the main reason why comic characters are a complete clusterfuck.
Another question for post #6482175 is: do we tag unmasked versions as civilians, or not? Do we want a partially unmasked superhero tag? And if yes, do we use civilian or hero identity? Both? I'd lean for "both".
"How do we tag post #10870809?"
"What if someone just wants to find all versions of spider-man?"
This is a three-fold issue, only half of which has merit.
- The one without merit is wanting to find ALL spider-men, including Spider-Man Noir or Spider-Punk, with the same chartag: the way to search for this is Spider-Man (Series). That's why we have subcopyright tags for Marvel and DC comics. Imagine if someone asked "how do I find for all magical girls including Akemi Homura and Kaname Madoka using a chartag" for Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica.
- the one that's kinda inbetween is "how do i find all versions of peter-parker". I answered this earlier, we need to figure out if alternate universe versions should be under the same umbrella tag.
- The one with merit is, "how do i search for a different spider-man in the original red-blue suit?", which is not an uncommon case given that Yamashiro Takuya and a lot of other spider-men including Miles Morales wear it at the start of their stories, especially for one or two starting chapters
While as I mentioned in forum #424233, characters almost never get the original suit, but always develop into a new one, I think the most sensible option here is to look to the ol' reliable cosplay. These ARE cosplay posts after all. When the same suit is being used, it's always either a question of inherited identity (wearing the original superhero's costume before getting a new one), or alternate universe namesake. It would be something similar to the search namesake cosplay, though I'm not sure we want a dedicated subtag, something like borrowed superhero costume or something.
In this case, post #10870809 would end up with
Similarly, miles morales in the original red suit would be
That way you can just do peter parker (spider-man) (original suit) to get the original suit first worn by Peter Parker, and you can optionally add or remove cosplay.
