Deprecate military #2

BUR #60081 has been rejected.

deprecate military

Let's try this again, since the admin team did not take any action on previous topic #23834. Hear me out. The reasons have been explained on previous forum #249121, forum #298531, and forum #310253. If only you bother reading these instead of mere downvoting. Now let's browse average posts tagged such and you will know why.

Its usage has been extremely diluted and disrespectfully abused to the point of becoming an absolute minefield to clean up and monitor. Despite the fact its Wiki did try to tailor, reserve its usage for appropriate and realistic depiction of military uniforms and military setting. People don't expect stuff like this (post #11444392), this (post #9774702), and also this (post #11425027) when they are searching for military-related images. It is also potentially offensive to active or former military personnel. Just because there are simply combat gear and characters with guns, doesn't mean it's about military.

So in short, we need to render this obsolete.

Searching for military_* can substitute this better and more accurately. Well, OK since wildcards containing asterisks cannot be blacklisted.

For everyone who downvoted, please let us know the reason and provide give viable, alternate options. Thanks in advance!

BUR #60086 has been rejected.

remove implication japan_self-defense_force -> military

We do not implicate military to the rest of the named real-world armed forces and fictional ones either. So why should this? Get real.

Since there are also many posts tagged with out-of-place moe/ecchi personifications like this (post #11383904) and, of course, tens of Omaneko pics.

Let's say, hypothetically, that this BUR succeeds and after however many tries, you've finally got rid of the military tag. Congratulations.

Now, what tag do you think all those posts that "extremely dilute" the current military tag will use instead? Getting rid of military won't solve the problem, it'll just move on to another tag, and then this whole hoopla begins again.

Yes, military is extremely diluted and no amount of wiki updates will change that because taggers don't read the wikis. However, military is an excellent containment tag for all those posts so they don't pollute the more curated tags like military dress uniform, military combat uniform, etc. The military tag can't be saved, but its continued presence means that the other military tags are.

The wiki change saying it had to be realistic depiction of the military was written by the OP in August of 2023, even if that was left unchanged until today if others don't actually agree with that interpretation then putting text into the wiki means nothing. Did the OP even get others to agree to this change?

Anyways I kind of think it's silly something like post #9774702 isn't military with it is very obvious military themed and the character being a mecha musume of a real Chinese tank. Which brings up the additional silliness that another user removed the tags for the actual tank her suit is clearly based on and shoved similar depictions under a character tag. I would think most users would expect to find things even based on that tank under the tag.

GreyOmega said in forum #441719:

Which brings up the additional silliness that another user removed the tags for the actual tank her suit is clearly based on and shoved similar depictions under a character tag. I would think most users would expect to find things even based on that tank under the tag.

There have been a number of arguments recently over personification chartags versus the actual vehicle in the context of ships, and the solution reached was to have separate personification chartags. See forum #378637, forum #425295, and forum #426744 for a small cross-section.

The bulk update request #60081 (forum #441708) has been rejected by @nonamethanks.

I adjusted the wiki so that it's not so absolute. military is fine as a tag, plenty of military nuts who want to search for that stuff.

The bulk update request #60086 (forum #441713) has been rejected by @nonamethanks.

DanbooruBot said in forum #442386:

The bulk update request #60086 (forum #441713) has been rejected by @nonamethanks.

So I feel like adjusting the wiki for making its usage being not so absolute and more lenient, potentially risks it being slapped on random stuff, even when it's not clearly military-related. The tag ミリタリー itself encompasses an amorphously broad, non-standardized theme on Pixiv. As I mentioned before, the presence of camo pattern, tactical gear and weapons doesn't automatically make a character, military personnel. Not to mention that not all military-influenced outfits are actually military uniforms, that's why we have tactical clothes, tactical maid, tactical school uniform, and military lolita beforehand.

It will be harder to curate and clean up.

Looking back on our history of most BURs that requestes deprecation due to presence of more visually-objective, more granular, specific alternatives - this site is slowly moving away from such catch-all terms. The rejection of both options is too hasty.

Why was this one immediately rejected anyways? Not even a single dislike. We do not implicate military to the rest of named armed forces as well. Why is this exceptional?

That's an inherent risk with a lot of tags based around a theme rather than a specific concept. Military is one of those tags that sounds too broad to be worth keeping but it's actually nice to be able to find everything military-esque under a single tag instead of fragmenting it across multiple tags and expecting users to form complex searches or know all the different separations to find what they want. It doesn't do anyone any good to restrict it to just realistic depictions; it would sooner make sense to create a subtag if you can nail down a concrete shape of what the tag should look like, though I have no opinion about actually committing to that.

What posts are you thinking of when you say it may be "slapped onto random non-military-related stuff"? Do keep in mind that some gardening is going to be needed to maintain the tag's results. Also, if people really are tagging "random unrelated" images as military, it's not a fit, they've been contacted before about being mindful about how they're tagging and it's clear it's not just an accident or simple misunderstanding, then they can just be given a vacation for polluting the tag - this applies with any tag.