Deprecating vertical and horizontal comics

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BUR #56022 has been rejected.

deprecate vertical_comic
deprecate horizontal_comic

It's been about seven years (forum #159659) since these tags have hit the scene. Their brethren in square comic has long since passed away, in favor of square 4koma (which later gave us rectangular 6koma). In that time, things have changed in the comic space which has made the tags unfit for use.

First, starting with vertical comic. I think it's always been somewhat of a farce of a tag, since it is the general format you would see for *koma comics. If it were properly tagged, it would be massive, and no one would be using it since a comic being vertical by itself says nothing. It's only once it is in relation to something else that it makes more sense. Some folks have used this tag to mean tall_image comic or similar, some use it as a sub-in for when you go beyond 6koma (speaking of, someone brought 7koma back - we may as well update it to be "7+koma", because going beyond 6koma is excessive, principally), and, most importantly for me, some folks are using it to tag webtoons.

It would make sense to deprecate it and just segment these individual aspects between the respective tags, particularly for webtoons, though we'd have to call that tag vertical scroll comic or similar because, looking at the tag history for webtoon, calling it webtoon would cause mistags.

On horizontal comic, meanwhile, some of the posts currently tagged feel like they belong in sequential instead, or whose horizontalness feels negligible compared to its contents, like the instant loss comics or the 好感度変化過程 KanColle comics. If we wanted to tag horizontality, just like with verticality, it needs to be in relation to something. If we want to have a tag that's, say, for stuff formatted like Western newspaper strips, we should have that rather than delegating it to an ambiguous tag like this.

Wrote a brief wiki for vertical scroll comic and kept the definition generic since it literally means you scroll through it instead of clicking/flipping pages. So then, thinking it can cover non-manhwa, I wrote

> For tagging purposes, a non-Korean style comic can count if the strip has an aspect ratio of less than 1:4, and uses vertical panels and/or carries certain unstructured aesthetics compared to the stacked boxes of a typical vertical 4koma.

Then I found out about tall image (sorry, slipped my mind) and started worrying because that's a lot of posts and we don't want to be including all of that, but I hope the "and/or" clause is alright. Anyway, I went through ~10% of comic tall_image and tagged some. Edit: 25% done. Skipped certain artists where it's more clearly pages stitched together. Some others I'm unsure of but left out based on vibes.

Updated by nanashi3

nanashi3 said in forum #426289:

Then I found out about tall image (sorry, slipped my mind) and started worrying because that's a lot of posts and we don't want to be including all of that, but I hope the "and/or" clause is alright. Anyway, I went through ~25% of comic tall_image and tagged some. Skipped certain artists where it's more clearly pages stitched together. Some others I'm unsure of but left out based on vibes.

Have you been making sure to go through the status:deleted posts or are you saving that for the end?

nonamethanks said in forum #426774:

What would the deprecated wiki for horizontal comic look like?

Well, the initial idea is for it to just link to wide image and refer to the aspect ratio search qualifiers to search for comics, since right now I'm not seeing anything that's wholly unique here beyond the 好感度変化過程 KanColle comics. If we really wanted to make "true" replacements, we'd see a glut of "horizontal *koma" tags pop up, but that wouldn't apply to stuff that would otherwise be tagged as sequential ala post #3524026 or would be just tagged as comic like post #3430575. Like, do we need "horizontal 2koma" for stuff like post #2835864 (rating:e)?

Damian0358 said in forum #426769:

Have you been making sure to go through the status:deleted posts or are you saving that for the end?

Done. Will resume working on status:active. (Edit: Done for tall_image.)

Meanwhile, it might be a good idea to keep and populate horizontal comic. There's barely any posts under comic wide_image, most comics are vertical, and searching comic ratio:>=1.5 is slow and can cause timeout for unprivileged users without specifying a date range. "horizontal *koma" sounds like overkill when they can search for "4koma horizontal_comic".

Updated by nanashi3

Damian0358 said in forum #426778:

Well, the initial idea is for it to just link to wide image and refer to the aspect ratio search qualifiers to search for comics, since right now I'm not seeing anything that's wholly unique here beyond the 好感度変化過程 KanColle comics. If we really wanted to make "true" replacements, we'd see a glut of "horizontal *koma" tags pop up, but that wouldn't apply to stuff that would otherwise be tagged as sequential ala post #3524026 or would be just tagged as comic like post #3430575. Like, do we need "horizontal 2koma" for stuff like post #2835864 (rating:e)?

Well, if we want to deprecate it and say that it's a useless or padding tag, then alternatives or an explanation need to be presented to someone who's trying to use the tag.

This is why I always ask for a deprecation wiki to be written first: if it's not clear to us terminally online danbooru users what we should use instead, then how can it be clear to a casual user who's just trying to browse the site?

horizontal comic is probably fine as a tag for the small subset of comics that are completely horizontal.

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