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trapster77 said in forum #426254:
ok but if the clause stays someone might start removing the upside-down tag from posts with "head down feet up" before we come up with a tag for those posts
If you're worried about that, you can create a favgroup for those posts in the meantime.
BUR #57064 has been rejected.
mass update upside-down -> favgroup:53735
Blank_User said in forum #426270:
If you're worried about that, you can create a favgroup for those posts in the meantime.
ok, but i'm not sure if this is a good idea. basically the timeline of things is that
1. there was no clause and certain posts were okay to tag
2. the clause was added without consensus
3. those posts are no longer okay to tag and users may remove them
4. we are discussing whether the clause should stay or not, taking the stance that the current state WITH the clause is the status quo
imo what should be done is reverting it first and then if people want an "images upside down" tag they can just make a favgroup of those posts and propose that as a tag.
trapster77 said in forum #426336:
BUR #57064 has been rejected.
mass update upside-down -> favgroup:53735
You can't actually populate a favgroup through a BUR.
The bulk update request #57064 (forum #426336) has been rejected by @nonamethanks.
trapster77 said in forum #424753:
i noticed that @LuxuryRay added the following incorrect examples to upside-down
I disagree that these are not upside down. There's no way to search for them if you remove them from the tag.
What if we split the tag into two, one for gravity and one for perspective? Something like hanging_upside-down and upside-down_(perspective)
Eok5 said in forum #426514:
What if we split the tag into two, one for gravity and one for perspective? Something like hanging_upside-down and upside-down_(perspective)
you can search for this already with hanging upside-down
maybe upside-down_view would work if the whole thing was upside down but if it isn't upside-down world then isn't that just... someone rotated the image 180 degrees? would that be a meta tag? like this post #10546553 it's just rotated
upside-down environment and upside-down view sound okay to me. i'm probably getting ahead of myself here, but my suggestion would be from upside-down, to match our other from_* tags.
There seems to be four scenarios for "upside-down" now, half of which has relevant tags most people agree with.
Scenarios with tags:
1. The person is upside-down in terms of gravity: so the usual upside-down tag.
2. The world is shown to be intentionally upside-down such as skyscrapers growing from the sky: upside-down world
Scenarios without specific tags:
3. The entire image is upside-down: preferably there's a meta tag for this
4. The character's head is visually below the body but the character is lying flat on the ground or something
I propose upside-down image for scenario 3 and bump wingdings' suggestion of from upside-down for scenario 4.
trapster77 said in forum #426527:
you can search for this already with hanging upside-down
Hanging does not include people floating in midair.
wingdings said in forum #426536:
i'm probably getting ahead of myself here, but my suggestion would be from upside-down, to match our other from_* tags.
I think there has to be a better name for this. The current from_* tags refer to a position (side, behind, above, etc.). Upside-down is an orientation, not a position. It also doesn't sound natural in English. Are there any photography terms we can use that can describe this angle instead?
Blank_User said in forum #426907:
Are there any photography terms we can use that can describe this angle instead?
I can't find a specific photography term for the pose but searching "Lying Upside Down" in google seems to give consistent image results similar to what we want.
Billyaabob said in forum #426954:
I can't find a specific photography term for the pose but searching "Lying Upside Down" in google seems to give consistent image results similar to what we want.
That's what I found too, but I was concerned lying upside-down might be confused for a two-tag search replacement of lying and upside-down (a lying upside-down search mostly results in these kind of posts). Not helping is the fact that there are also things like post #9674212, though since only her upper back is touching the floor, maybe there's a more accurate term than "lying" for this.
Regardless, I do think lying upside-down is a better option than from upside-down.
Blank_User said in forum #426907:
I think there has to be a better name for this. The current from_* tags refer to a position (side, behind, above, etc.). Upside-down is an orientation, not a position.
i always took the from_* tags to mean the viewer's position relative to the subject, and i believe it makes sense if you think of it that way. in post #8338883, the subject is being viewed from the side, and in post #8402073, the subject is indeed being viewed from upside-down.
I agree with wingdings' logic, and I'm averse to lying upside-down because of possible mistags. lying upside-down could also be misinterpreted as on stomach.
wingdings said in forum #426995:
i always took the from_* tags to mean the viewer's position relative to the subject, and i believe it makes sense if you think of it that way. in post #8338883, the subject is being viewed from the side, and in post #8402073, the subject is indeed being viewed from upside-down.
I did think of it that way. Upside-down is not a position, relative or otherwise. We can use from upside-down if we don't have anything better, but it still sounds awkward.
This is a specific example of foreshortening I think.
trapster77 said in forum #435142:
guys the wiki is still unchanged
maybe the examples and clause should be removed before we all forget about it again?
I think the general consensus is to leave the clause as is and use a separate tag for the scenario. We haven't agreed on a new tag yet but I'd say just use a suggested provisional tag to group all the instances for now then workshop the tag name later.
Better to clean up upside-down now than let the instances of "feet above head in terms of perspective" accumulate.
Personally I like lying upside-down better than from upside-down because "lying" implies it's a person while the "from" can be technically be misinterpreted to apply to posts with upside-down world.
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Billyaabob said in forum #437663:
I think the general consensus is to leave the clause as is and use a separate tag for the scenario. We haven't agreed on a new tag yet but I'd say just use a suggested provisional tag to group all the instances for now then workshop the tag name later.
Better to clean up upside-down now than let the instances of "feet above head in terms of perspective" accumulate.
Personally I like lying upside-down better than from upside-down because "lying" implies it's a person while the "from" can be technically be misinterpreted to apply to posts with upside-down world.
but what is going to happen if, in 9 months, we still haven't agreed on a new tag for this? people are going to start removing lying upside down from upside down posts because the wiki says it's not for that. the upside-down tag is currently used as much for one thing as for the other. in fact, uploaders HAVE to use this tag because we don't have any other tag, so those instances are STILL accumulating.
i'd even bet that lying upside-down is the PRIMARY use of the tag and the view being upside down is the minority of the posts so imo it's easier to move the latter to upside-down view or something like that
regardless of what the consensus is on what the tag should be for, there is a failure of process if someone can just add a clause that excludes most posts that are currently in the tag and we just decide to leave it there later. the change should be reverted and a proper process followed to split the tag
trapster77 said in forum #437681:
but what is going to happen if, in 9 months, ...
At least 3 more topics that also don't reach a conclusion. That's how it usually goes, anyway.
