Likewise for western superheros, if Superman implies Clark Kent, then you end up needing awkward things like Clark Kent (Superman) and Clark Kent (Civilian) to distinguish between Clark Kent dressed as Superman versus Clark Kent dressed as a regular person.
Likewise for western superheros, if Superman implies Clark Kent, then you end up needing awkward things like Clark Kent (Superman) and Clark Kent (Civilian) to distinguish between Clark Kent dressed as Superman versus Clark Kent dressed as a regular person.
But you already have to search hoshizora_miyuki cure_happy if you only want to see Hoshizora Miyuki posts because civilian tags function as umbrella tags for both civilian and magical girl forms?
I would just like to point out that even if the girls in Precure are dressed in their magical girl outfits, they are not considered to be that magical girl character unless they have also undergone the body transformation as well. It's considered to be cosplay instead.
Conversely, if a character has undergone their magical girl transformation but are not dressed up in their magical girl outfit, then they are still considered to be that magical girl character. In fact, if they are dressed up as their alternate ego, they are considered to be cosplaying as well.
So the magical girl character is almost considered to be a separate character. Conversely, if another character cosplays as a magical girl character, then they are not considered to be that magical girls alternate ego.
In the above, Seiun Sky is dressed up as Cure Sky. She should in no ways be considered to be cosplaying as Sora Harewataru, nor should it have the sora_harewataru tag. That wouldn't make any sense. Having the sora_harewataru tag on all Cure Sky posts wouldn't be conducive to accurately describing the image, and it would pollute all searches of the sora_harewataru tag.
This other question I have is regarding tagging minor characters. Do we indicate they are part of precure with _(precure) or do we use the specific precure series they are from?
I see kabaton_(precure) but shouldnt it be kabaton_(hirogaru_sky!_precure) ? Why does Kabaton need _(precure) at the end regardless considering there is no artist or other character by that name?
I noticed this because some minor characters will have the opposite. Take joker_(smile_precure!), he isnt tagged as joker_(precure). So does this need fixing? I think it would make sense to do it like series name like Joker's, indicating he is from smile precure.
In the above, Seiun Sky is dressed up as Cure Sky. She should in no ways be considered to be cosplaying as Sora Harewataru, nor should it have the sora_harewataru tag. That wouldn't make any sense. Having the sora_harewataru tag on all Cure Sky posts wouldn't be conducive to accurately describing the image, and it would pollute all searches of the sora_harewataru tag.
It's not like there are that many that it would pollute a search. Something is getting polluted either way, that's essentially what cosplay tagging does.
I more or less understand the argument even though I think having the actual civilian name as the anchor and the magical girl an implication of her civilian form is ideal. The way I watch precure, it's essentially just an outfit change for them. Batman is a harder argument consider Bruce Wayne has what? 1% of the total screentime?
I more or less understand the argument even though I think having the actual civilian name as the anchor and the magical girl an implication of her civilian form is ideal. The way I watch precure, it's essentially just an outfit change for them. Batman is a harder argument consider Bruce Wayne has what? 1% of the total screentime?
I think the point you are struggling with is that to a majority of users on Danbooru, it is not a simple outfit change and instead a transformation into a wholly separate character. This is why implication BURs always get downvoted to hell and back, and I have yet to see a good argument from the costume change side for implication.
It's fine if that's how you see it, but if it's not how the majority see it, you ain't gonna change the status quo there. I think a lot of your problems are best solved by looking at prior Precure discussions and seeing how they panned out to get an idea of the tagging culture.
As for the character names on minor characters, the main series tag as a qualifier is more than enough unless two characters shared the same name across different installments for some reason. Otherwise, you end up with the clusterfuck that was the Project Moon chartags before I got them changed to the main "Project Moon" qualifier out of sheer frustration.
I think the point you are struggling with is that to a majority of users on Danbooru, it is not a simple outfit change and instead a transformation into a wholly separate character. This is why implication BURs always get downvoted to hell and back, and I have yet to see a good argument from the costume change side for implication.
It's fine if that's how you see it, but if it's not how the majority see it, you ain't gonna change the status quo there. I think a lot of your problems are best solved by looking at prior Precure discussions and seeing how they panned out to get an idea of the tagging culture.
As for the character names on minor characters, the main series tag as a qualifier is more than enough unless two characters shared the same name across different installments for some reason. Otherwise, you end up with the clusterfuck that was the Project Moon chartags before I got them changed to the main "Project Moon" qualifier out of sheer frustration.
Who is this majority that considers them to be separate characters? I've already provided arguments in forum #418253 for why Precures and their civilian forms are not as removed from each other as people are trying to claim, can you explain me how it's wrong?
As for the character names on minor characters, the main series tag as a qualifier is more than enough unless two characters shared the same name across different installments for some reason. Otherwise, you end up with the clusterfuck that was the Project Moon chartags before I got them changed to the main "Project Moon" qualifier out of sheer frustration.
There are plenty of unique names that have it completely mixed up. There is no other Kabaton. So why is it Kabaton_(Precure) and not Kabaton_(Hirogaru_Sky!_Precure) or just Kabaton. Why is it wester_(fresh_precure!) And not wester_(precure). I am actually not understanding the criteria here. Im leaning to the wester case here rather than kabaton. I have just noticed a ton of this. Like i think think Kabaton>Kabaton_(Hirogaru_Sky!_Precure)>Kabaton_(Precure) is the prefferred order to me mentally here.
It's fine if that's how you see it, but if it's not how the the majority see it, you ain't gonna change the status quo there
Its how the users who end up voting on implications see it probably. You see very almost no uploads where the civilian name of the cure is not attached. Though since I have watched a number of precure, the idea the cure forms are costumes probably makes a lot more sense to me than others who vote on this stuff and have to cross reference similiar criterion ideas like Bruce Wayne, Clark Kent, or other secret identities that have very little screentime or importance in their properties. The arguments were made earlier in the thread.
There are plenty of unique names that have it completely mixed up. There is no other Kabaton. So why is it Kabaton_(Precure) and not Kabaton_(Hirogaru_Sky!_Precure) or just Kabaton. Why is it wester_(fresh_precure!) And not wester_(precure). I am actually not understanding the criteria here. Im leaning to the wester case here rather than kabaton. I have just noticed a ton of this. Like i think think Kabaton>Kabaton_(Hirogaru_Sky!_Precure)>Kabaton_(Precure) is the prefferred order to me mentally here.
The official stance is that if the majority of characters under a copyright have qualifiers on their chartags, then all of them should (forum #180324, forum #185636, forum #188863, forum #195768, forum #329806), for consistency purposes. So it doesn't matter that Kabaton is the only Kabaton on Danbooru, if literally every other character under PreCure had a qualifier and not Kabaton, that feels incredibly inconsistent. In fact, you highlighting Wester (Fresh Precure!) is a perfect example of this: if we were being consistent, the tag should be Wester (PreCure), but someone gave the tag a narrower qualifier and no one has bothered updating it since 2014 (and you can't remove the qualifier in that case because Wester (Kirby) exists).
The official stance is that if the majority of characters under a copyright have qualifiers on their chartags, then all of them should (forum #180324, forum #185636, forum #188863, forum #195768, forum #329806), for consistency purposes. So it doesn't matter that Kabaton is the only Kabaton on Danbooru, if literally every other character under PreCure had a qualifier and not Kabaton, that feels incredibly inconsistent. In fact, you highlighting Wester (Fresh Precure!) is a perfect example of this: if we were being consistent, the tag should be Wester (PreCure), but someone gave the tag a narrower qualifier and no one has bothered updating it since 2014 (and you can't remove the qualifier in that case because Wester (Kirby) exists).
Thanks for the links. I used Wester as an example because another Wester exists with Kirby. That's fine if there is consistency. I was just noting that the consistency is kind of scattered here. The reason I prefer series name as to the full PreCure copyright is because take Joker_(smile_precure!). Joker is a very popular one word name in fiction. It hasn't happened yet but I could see precure repeating a name like this for example, so having it by series makes it easier.
Thanks for the links. I used Wester as an example because another Wester exists with Kirby. That's fine if there is consistency. I was just noting that the consistency is kind of scattered here.
Yeah, which is why I emphasized the fact that no one has bothered updating it since 2014. That's 12 years no one thought to themselves "hm, maybe I should go through all the PreCure chartags to make sure they were properly consistent?" It's basically me pointing out that, maybe, just maybe, someone should make a BUR to make things consistent.
The reason I prefer series name as to the full PreCure copyright is because take Joker_(smile_precure!). Joker is a very popular one word name in fiction. It hasn't happened yet but I could see precure repeating a name like this for example, so having it by series makes it easier.
I mean, when you have name overlap, you go down the list of copytags, in this case from (precure) to (smile_precure!), that just makes sense, but engaging in preemptive qualifier narrowing seems excessive, especially since your Joker example is from 2012... Regardless, at least you understand why we're at where we're at.
Yeah, which is why I emphasized the fact that no one has bothered updating it since 2014. That's 12 years no one thought to themselves "hm, maybe I should go through all the PreCure chartags to make sure they were properly consistent?" It's basically me pointing out that, maybe, just maybe, someone should make a BUR to make things consistent.
Opened topic #35098 to serve this very purpose. I prefer consistency in my tag qualifiers if I can help it.
Who is this majority that considers them to be separate characters? I've already provided arguments in forum #418253 for why Precures and their civilian forms are not as removed from each other as people are trying to claim, can you explain me how it's wrong?
So I ended up doing a bit of digging, and where the rules got cemented was definitely in topic #26220, which caused the BURs there to fail miserably and be autorejected no doubt.
Interestingly, the vote percentage was 50-50, as opposed to my memory of this specific topic. Every other attempt was majority downvoted after being cemented however.
Opened topic #35098 to serve this very purpose. I prefer consistency in my tag qualifiers if I can help it.
So I ended up doing a bit of digging, and where the rules got cemented was definitely in topic #26220, which caused the BURs there to fail miserably and be autorejected no doubt.
Interestingly, the vote percentage was 50-50, as opposed to my memory of this specific topic. Every other attempt was majority downvoted after being cemented however.
A couple of builders spoke out against the implication, a BUR got autorejected without any input from admins which is not an uncommon thing to happen at all even with "obvious" BURs, and this somehow means there is now a "cemented rule" to not imply these tags? Huh?
