Meta tag: first-party_source

First-party source: A source URL (Or perhaps even self-upload?) by a verified account of the artist.
Second-party source: Source URL suggests the commissioner/requester posted it (Or it's a requester/commissioner upload), or shared to the the recipient at the source/the person who uploaded it.
Third-party source: Unrelated entity hosting image, had zero involvement in the creative process behind the content itself.

I haven't found any topics discussing the potential application. However, I was recently discussing self-uploads from other boorus/mistaken application of third-party source, and thought that first-party_source would help to narrow down posts with unnatural sources like rule34.xxx, paheal, e621, gelbooru, sankaku, etc. wherever- Some artists genuinely upload to at least one of these platforms, and there's some who might post there exclusively. For tag gardening, it would be helpful to have first-party_source to filter out from searches of sources like these. That's the only application I'm going to bring up myself.

First-party source would apply to the majority of the posts on Danbooru. You need to name it to something more specific if you want it to only apply to unusual sources like other Boorus.

HyphenSam said:

First-party source would apply to the majority of the posts on Danbooru. You need to name it to something more specific if you want it to only apply to unusual sources like other Boorus.

You're right, I'm just thinking preemptively here. First-party would come naturally down the line if we DO start tagging for sources like those. It'd be inevitable, like green_socks -> socks.

Seconding, this feel like tagging the default I don't see what value this adds or who would even be searching for it. I persume the usage of second-party source and third-party source is that it informs that it may not be the best possible quality or the "Original." What utility does a first-party_source tag provide?

-third-party_source -second-party_source there you go you're welcome

baconmeh2 said:

However, I was recently discussing self-uploads from other boorus/mistaken application of third-party source, and thought that first-party_source would help to narrow down posts with unnatural sources like rule34.xxx, paheal, e621, gelbooru, sankaku, etc. wherever- Some artists genuinely upload to at least one of these platforms, and there's some who might post there exclusively. For tag gardening, it would be helpful to have first-party_source to filter out from searches of sources like these.

Yeah, there's no way we're calling this first-party_source, were we to tag this. It has to make clear in its name that it's for websites where it's unusual for artists to be self-uploading, like general_booru_self-upload or something.

imageboard first-party source? I'm not opposed to it, they're a very rare exception and I suppose it would be useful when doing mass updates that touch third-party sources, and whenever we switch to storing sources it might be useful to mass mark posts.

ANON_TOKYO said:

-third-party_source -second-party_source there you go you're welcome

That's assuming people are tagging properly.

nonamethanks said:

imageboard first-party source? I'm not opposed to it, they're a very rare exception and I suppose it would be useful when doing mass updates that touch third-party sources, and whenever we switch to storing sources it might be useful to mass mark posts.

I'll make a fav group, while correcting posts tagged third-party source.

baconmeh2 said:

That's assuming people are tagging properly.

It was mostly making fun of the name. I agree this seems like an acceptable idea as a tag, but it really wouldn't hurt if you think about the name at least a little bit before suggesting it (or just say you don't have an idea).

I've went a year back, and found about 106 posts so far.

Used source:*rule34.xxx* third-party_source -status:banned, and checked each post individually. Much of tuoni's art qualifies, though I ran into one or two that wasn't or bad_id'd.

baconmeh2 said:

I've went a year back, and found about 106 posts so far.

Used source:*rule34.xxx* third-party_source -status:banned, and checked each post individually. Much of tuoni's art qualifies, though I ran into one or two that wasn't or bad_id'd.

You could probably toss a bunch of e621-sourced posts in that favgroup and then make a BUR, if someone else doesn't do that for you.

The favgroup is finished.

Still don't have a name thought up.

Damian0358 said in forum #412125:

You could probably toss a bunch of e621-sourced posts in that favgroup and then make a BUR, if someone else doesn't do that for you.

Done. Starts at the Buizel on the 19th page.

BUR #56873 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

mass update favgroup:50701 -> meta:imageboard_first-party_source

Let's try this, unless someone else has a better idea.

nonamethanks said in forum #425749:

BUR #56873 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

mass update favgroup:50701 -> meta:imageboard_first-party_source

Let's try this, unless someone else has a better idea.

Don't forget to untag third-party source.

What about Pinterest?

source:*pinterest* -third-party_source -second-party_source has over 300 posts

That search needs gardening, I don't trust that number. Pinterest is heavy on reposts but there are, like the tag is trying to tackle, very rare instances of artists posting their own content there so it's not safe to consider Pinterest without those sorted out. You may also want to think about the artist request tag, which is worth 54 posts that aren't tagged either second-party source or third-party source.

I realize that this search cannot be fully incorporated into the suggested tag, but Pinterest is an example of a site that should be covered by this tag to some extent, but which is not an image board

Another such site is Huaban

source:*huaban* -artist_request -source_request -third-party_source -second-party_source

As a frequent Pinterest uploader, the amount of images I found that actually were first-party sources is a very small minority. Usually I only use Pinterest when the OG source is either lost or dead (and even then I prefer imageboards over Pinteresr if it can be helped).

That number also sounds really high to me speaking from experience. Most likely people failing to add the third-party source tag. I like the idea of a tag for the rare occasion where the imageboard source is the OG source, but Idk if we want to lump Pinterest in there or make another tag specifically for Pinterest cases of this.

Knowledge_Seeker said in forum #425839:

As a frequent Pinterest uploader, the amount of images I found that actually were first-party sources is a very small minority. Usually I only use Pinterest when the OG source is either lost or dead (and even then I prefer imageboards over Pinteresr if it can be helped).

That number also sounds really high to me speaking from experience. Most likely people failing to add the third-party source tag. I like the idea of a tag for the rare occasion where the imageboard source is the OG source, but Idk if we want to lump Pinterest in there or make another tag specifically for Pinterest cases of this.

This whole tag probably won't be very large. The above favgroup has fewer than 500 posts

てはいさ said in forum #425840:

This whole tag probably won't be very large. The above favgroup has fewer than 500 posts

You'd think that, but I don't think bacon was thorough in his inclusion of e621 first-party sources. There's only 42 such posts currently in the favgroup, yet (assuming the tagging is proper) source:*e621* -third-party_source -second-party_source -artist_request -source_request has nearly 700 posts by itself. And currently it lacks posts sourced from Gelbooru, Paheal, et al.

There's a chance for the tag to get up to 2k posts, at least, without even considering Pinterest or Huaban.