Independence Day

BUR #28293 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

rename independence_day -> independence_day_(1996_film)
deprecate independence_day

I think the holiday should use it's actual name, and the movie should have a qualifier.

I think it should be something like independence_day_(united_states) instead of just independence_day. The USA is not the only country in the world, you know.

GranAutismo said:

I think it should be something like independence_day_(united_states) instead of just independence_day. The USA is not the only country in the world, you know.

Good point, changed.

baconmeh2 said:

BUR #28293 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

rename independence_day -> independence_day_(1996_film)
deprecate independence_day

I think the holiday should use it's actual name, and the movie should have a qualifier.

I think "4th of July" is arguably the more general names of the holiday rather than "Independence day" tbh. So I suppose it should be vice-versa, and probably adding "4th of July (with number) as an alias too.

Fourth_of_July is significantly shorter than Independence_Day_(United_States) and means the same thing to an American. Additionally because you're forcing it to be the same name as a holiday in over 100 other countries we're stuck having to use a qualifier. In short the only thing this alias accomplishes is to force a longer name on to the tag by moving it to an ambiguous name forcing it to be lengthen even further to remove ambiguity.

If for some reason this does go through, I think at minimum the qualifier should be shortened to (USA) as the tag is already long enough without us foolishly aiming for longer.

independence_day_(united_states): 32 characters w/ _
independence_day_(usa): 22 characters
fourth_of_july: 14 characters

I don't mind the first line, though I prefer "(1996_film)" over "(1996_movie)". The second one is a solution in search of a problem.

GreyOmega said:

Fourth_of_July is significantly shorter than Independence_Day_(United_States) and means the same thing to an American. Additionally because you're forcing it to be the same name as a holiday in over 100 other countries we're stuck having to use a qualifier.

I get your point, but I still feel an alias wouldn't hurt.

GreyOmega said:

In short the only thing this alias accomplishes is to force a longer name on to the tag by moving it to an ambiguous name forcing it to be lengthen even further to remove ambiguity.

TrueKringe said:

I think "4th of July" is arguably the more general names of the holiday rather than "Independence day" tbh. So I suppose it should be vice-versa, and probably adding "4th of July (with number) as an alias too.

Alright, how about I reverse it to be independence_day_(usa) -> fourth_of_july?

GreyOmega said:

If for some reason this does go through, I think at minimum the qualifier should be shortened to (USA) as the tag is already long enough without us foolishly aiming for longer.

I can change it to USA if that's preferred.

Hillside_Moose said:

I don't mind the first line, though I prefer "(1996_film)" over "(1996_movie)".

Changed.

Hillside_Moose said:

The second one is a solution in search of a problem.

Well how about we just qualify independence day (1996 film) first?

BUR #28300 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

create alias independence_day_(usa) -> fourth_of_july

Bit of controversy, separated the two.

Even today's Google Doodle shows "Fourth of July 2024" when you hover over it. It's not the brain-bending ambiguity you think it is.

Don't edit a BUR after tons of people have voted on it, it's impossible to tell why the downvotes were there or if they still apply otherwise.

The bulk update request #28300 (forum #291678) has been approved by @nonamethanks.

The bulk update request #28293 (forum #291648) has been approved by @nonamethanks.