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The Hoyo pity system is so ass. Sure, you're guaranteed your character of choice earlier (in theory), since Hoyo games themselves guarantee a five star at 90 pulls, thus needing 180 at most, and pity carries over between banners, but sparking is still better overall because it isn't affected by the results of your pulls.
You could get the mythical double five star pull and you would still keep building pity towards a different character.
Just because Hoyo gets away with it doesn't mean other companies have to copy it, see OG Arknights vs Endfield.
And the devs actually changing the system for an existing game is not only scummy beyond belief, it also sets a terrible precedent for other companies to follow.
Hopefully the backlash will be enough to unfuck the situation.

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Incineration said in comment #2618273:

The Hoyo pity system is so ass. Sure, you're guaranteed your character of choice earlier (in theory), since Hoyo games themselves guarantee a five star at 90 pulls, thus needing 180 at most, and pity carries over between banners, but sparking is still better overall because it isn't affected by the results of your pulls.
You could get the mythical double five star pull and you would still keep building pity towards a different character.
Just because Hoyo gets away with it doesn't mean other companies have to copy it, see OG Arknights vs Endfield.
And the devs actually changing the system for an existing game is not only scummy beyond belief, it also sets a terrible precedent for other companies to follow.
Hopefully the backlash will be enough to unfuck the situation.

Considering who is now leading the charge for the company trying to increase their bottom line?

I'm very doubtful they'll listen.

OG Nexon might balk under the backlash but an EA CEO?

They'll just double down on it.

Great example of rather than just increasing your bottom line you wind up destroying it.

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Incineration said in comment #2618273:

The Hoyo pity system is so ass. Sure, you're guaranteed your character of choice earlier (in theory), since Hoyo games themselves guarantee a five star at 90 pulls, thus needing 180 at most, and pity carries over between banners, but sparking is still better overall because it isn't affected by the results of your pulls.
You could get the mythical double five star pull and you would still keep building pity towards a different character.
Just because Hoyo gets away with it doesn't mean other companies have to copy it, see OG Arknights vs Endfield.
And the devs actually changing the system for an existing game is not only scummy beyond belief, it also sets a terrible precedent for other companies to follow.
Hopefully the backlash will be enough to unfuck the situation.

And then there's Fate/Go. What it is now, something like 351 pulls before your guarantee? And there's 0 guarantee for 4*.
There are some that are thankfully kind to their players and can even be successfully played F2P but yeah most get blinded by that greed.

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OG Nexon might balk under the backlash but an EA CEO?

They'll just double down on it.

Great example of rather than just increasing your bottom line you wind up destroying it.

I hate Soderlund to an unhealthy degree. Draining the lake to get the fish faster. Bet he is behind western management's recent bs as well (very unlikely but I want to blame him anyway).

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UNOwens said in comment #2618362:

And then there's Fate/Go. What it is now, something like 351 pulls before your guarantee? And there's 0 guarantee for 4*.
There are some that are thankfully kind to their players and can even be successfully played F2P but yeah most get blinded by that greed.

Yeah, hearing about gachas like this, I feel like SD Gundam G Generation Eternal is pretty lenient with its gacha system, what with the "Guaranteed UR (i.e, a 5-star) at 100 pulls" format they use by default, without even factoring in things like tickets for free pulls gained from various sources (most events will offer enough free tickets for a 10-pull on the limited banner for the event upon clearing said event's story missions, for one).

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There is a certain hypocrisy coming from Clumsy, Froggy jumps to conclusions and Glasses is devastated at the thought of giving up her little Elvis.

On that note: Elvis would have probably mentioned that he was a pet of someone else and the actual lost pet is on Clumsy's back of her head. She probably doesn't even notice that because she is used to that from the ducks, thinking it is a duck or a duckling.

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blindVigil said in comment #2618467:

It's marginally better mathematically, and only under the assumption that you aim for a single character and stop as soon as you get a single copy of that character.

But BA always releases new characters in pairs, and that's not accounting for reruns. The spark system allowed you to get one character in 200 pulls or less, and then either spark another copy or spark one of the other rated up characters.

The new system doesn't allow you to do either of these things, and significantly increases the odds of going over 200 pulls if you're aiming for more than one character. The worst case scenario for the spark system is having to spark both new characters, but that would mean you went dry in 400 pulls, which almost never happens. More realistically, you get one character somewhere in 100-300 pulls, and then you spark the other character. And that's assuming your luck is on the lower end, and you fail the 75% chance to get a banner character in 200 pulls.

The new system forces you to gamble on two 50/50 chances if you want both characters in the same 200 pulls that previously would have almost guaranteed both. Before, if it took you 190 pulls to get one character, you only need 10 more pulls for the second character. Now, if you get screwed and get one character at 190, the second character is going to take 100-200 more pulls unless you get extremely lucky, totaling nearly twice as many pulls in an otherwise identical scenario.

The new system doesn't help F2P at all. The only people it benefits are people that have no impulse control and roll on every banner. If you save and plan your rolls, this system doesn't help you at all.

Haven't they adjusted something down to 160? What about that?

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Provence said in comment #2618474:

The simplification from Nexon's official statement.

I'm just gonna have to fucking guess what you mean, because it seems like you don't actually know anything about what's going on so I don't know why you're even commenting on it.

They didn't "adjust" anything down. Everything is exactly the same, except now there's no Spark and you have a 50/50 chance to get the banner character at 100 pulls and 100% chance to get them at 200 pulls.

Something they're doing, and this is what I assume you're referring to, is a milestone system that gives you materials after doing a certain number of pulls, which includes 10-pull tickets. These tickets effectively "refund" some of your pulls, so 200 pulls is really 160 pulls, and 400 pulls is really 320 pulls.

This sounds cool, but it's a one-time thing. They're only doing that for this event. So it doesn't matter.

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blindVigil said in comment #2618477:

I'm just gonna have to fucking guess what you mean, because it seems like you don't actually know anything about what's going on so I don't know why you're even commenting on it.

They didn't "adjust" anything down. Everything is exactly the same, except now there's no Spark and you have a 50/50 chance to get the banner character at 100 pulls and 100% chance to get them at 200 pulls.

Something they're doing, and this is what I assume you're referring to, is a milestone system that gives you materials after doing a certain number of pulls, which includes 10-pull tickets. These tickets effectively "refund" some of your pulls, so 200 pulls is really 160 pulls, and 400 pulls is really 320 pulls.

This sounds cool, but it's a one-time thing. They're only doing that for this event. So it doesn't matter.

No need to be aggressive. I only want you to share all the information there is.

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Provence said in comment #2618480:

No need to be aggressive. I only want you to share all the information there is.

You should at least have the idea now how much frustration this brings to us F2P players that we have to plan our pulls every time something is announced in JP. We already know how to manage the previous system and now they are introducing another headache. Its like trying to touch something that is already working fine and decided to make it really bad.

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I would really appreciate it if uploads from this artist were properly tagged with deviantart_logo. I've been adding it myself, and will continue to do so, so my blacklist will catch it (I have "watermark deviantart_logo" blacklisted because that specific watermark bothers me) but obviously the point of the blacklist is to avoid seeing it in the first place.

No shade to anyone, this is absolutely a 'me' problem, so I'll continue doing it if I have to.

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