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CrossbowArcanePlus said:
Do you have to be an approver to give feedback on art? I don't see why you would have to be, and there's nothing about that in the opening post.
The uploader will need an eye for art to stop getting rejected, and they aren't approvers either.
Input from an admin on the matter with a reason why non-approvers shouldn't give feedback on here. forum #181543
Nonetheless, IMO your question to andlabs was valid in this case.
Nacha said:
Input from an admin on the matter with a reason why non-approvers shouldn't give feedback on here. forum #181543
Nonetheless, IMO your question to andlabs was valid in this case.
So approvers don't give any feedback, and now you're telling me other users can't do it either? Why even bother why this thread then?
ElChapulin said:
Why even bother why this thread then?
To check user's deletion for approvers, many of us don't give much feedback other then check the post and if it's good enough it will be undeleted, that's why this thread exist, so restricted users can ask for second chance of approval
ElChapulin said:
So approvers don't give any feedback, and now you're telling me other users can't do it either? Why even bother why this thread then?
Those below Approver are discouraged from giving advice because they're not the ones approving the posts, which means they are more likely to give misleading information. It's better to have a lack of good advice than a deluge of bad advice.
I occasionally give advice here, but it's for things unrelated to art quality. I mostly dispel basic misconceptions such as the idea that the number of likes or tags has any effect on approvability, that a Contributor's upload was approved when it actually skipped the queue, and things like that. The difference is that giving this kind of advice only requires knowledge about how the site works. However, you still need to do your homework first so you don't end up spreading misinformation.
Nacha said:
Input from an admin on the matter with a reason why non-approvers shouldn't give feedback on here. forum #181543
Nonetheless, IMO your question to andlabs was valid in this case.
CrossbowArcanePlus seemed to be positioning themself to be one of the users giving art advice here, which is why I replied to that comment instead of the one right before it.
Wondering about post #9228529… is the character disproportionate?
UWOOOGH_SEGSS_ZANI said:
To check user's deletion for approvers, many of us don't give much feedback other then check the post and if it's good enough it will be undeleted, that's why this thread exist, so restricted users can ask for second chance of approval
Oh, alright then. Please check kurokaji status:deleted.
I don't think any of his posts deserve to be deleted.
Thanks.
Need to find why these were deleted, and whether they can be appealed.
I've admittedly been posting a lot of unlikely-to-be-approved posts lately; I have max upload slots, so I've been willing to take some risks, even if it sometimes results in deletions. Regardless, I think all of these deserve a second look.
post #9188582post #9193877
post #9218954post #9241743 (Approved parent)
post #9271193post #9274927
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Nacha said:
Input from an admin on the matter with a reason why non-approvers shouldn't give feedback on here. forum #181543
Nonetheless, IMO your question to andlabs was valid in this case.
Thanks for the link. It would be helpful for people who come across the thread in future if that were edited in to the opening post, because right now it just says that this is a thread for people to receive feedback on rejected uploads. I suppose that addition depends as well on whether that admin is saying that is the rule of how this thread works too, or just his opinion on the usefulness of non-approvers replying. Either way, I will probably stop giving feedback here.
Blank_User said:
Those below Approver are discouraged from giving advice because they're not the ones approving the posts, which means they are more likely to give misleading information. It's better to have a lack of good advice than a deluge of bad advice.
I occasionally give advice here, but it's for things unrelated to art quality. I mostly dispel basic misconceptions such as the idea that the number of likes or tags has any effect on approvability, that a Contributor's upload was approved when it actually skipped the queue, and things like that. The difference is that giving this kind of advice only requires knowledge about how the site works. However, you still need to do your homework first so you don't end up spreading misinformation.
CrossbowArcanePlus seemed to be positioning themself to be one of the users giving art advice here, which is why I replied to that comment instead of the one right before it.
I have given some advice here before, not realising that that was not how the thread is expected to be used.
Is there something specific in my feedback you think is incorrect? I won't be offended if so.
I really just reply here because it looks like most people don't get any feedback and I thought I could help out. If it's true that this thread is not actually intended for feedback and instead is meant to flag up potential deletions for appeals, that is opaque, and clearing it up would save some effort for users like me who misunderstand, and users like you from correcting that misunderstanding.
I had a look a little further along, and an admin says the appeal thing is against the rules too:
https://danbooru.donmai.us/forum_topics/7934?page=150#forum_post_181640
Since it's not meant to be for appeals, approvers are too busy to review, and non-approvers shouldn't review, I'm not sure what's left.
CrossbowArcanePlus said:
I have given some advice here before, not realising that that was not how the thread is expected to be used.
Is there something specific in my feedback you think is incorrect? I won't be offended if so.
I really just reply here because it looks like most people don't get any feedback and I thought I could help out. If it's true that this thread is not actually intended for feedback and instead is meant to flag up potential deletions for appeals, that is opaque, and clearing it up would save some effort for users like me who misunderstand, and users like you from correcting that misunderstanding.
Don't worry too much about it. I know your intentions were good. I also agree it could be made more clear. I actually thought that information was on the opening post, but I looked again and you're right that there's no mention of these things. It might be a good idea to update it.
I can't say anything specific about the feedback you gave because that would basically be me giving art advice, and I try to avoid doing that because I am only a Contributor.
Blank_User said:
I can't say anything specific about the feedback you gave because that would basically be me giving art advice, and I try to avoid doing that because I am only a Contributor.
Ah, but now you're free to give that advice, as there's nothing in the OP saying you shouldn't. ;) ...No, just kidding there.
That question was only really for my own interest and to discuss art a little. I thought on it a little more, and I believe that Ylimegirl's comment in brackets is either the intended or the defacto purpose of this thread: containment.
Ylimegirl said:
(Also if there wasn't a dedicated thread we'd just get tons of new threads spammed in the forum asking why art wasn't approved.)
ElChapulin said:
Oh, alright then. Please check kurokaji status:deleted.
I don't think any of his posts deserve to be deleted.
Thanks.
For the record, I'll appreciate any feedback, even if you're not an approver.
Okay, what's wrong with these arts? Why?
post #9275586
post #9275518
post #9228067
post #9225794
post #9225450
post #9195913
post #9196087
post #9116274
post #9116276
post #9110895
post #8973584
When I saw it, I thought it was well-made, so what's the problem?
This is an appeal and not my post, but am I missing something on post #8738763? I'm not seeing anything wrong with it
...well I completely missed that conversation.
I will say, to answer Nacha's question about why I bothered asking for the lower-quality posts that I could identify potential problems with:
- For completeness, since I was appealing all my uploads knowing that sometimes it just wasn't looked at by an approver who *would* like it (this I also stated in that post)
- I've been surprised before by posts that get voted poor quality by one approver but approved by another before
- In fact I've been surprised by things I've suspected might turn reviewers off only to see the post approved anyway, so even developing "an eye" isn't always a surefire thing (especially as approvers come and go)
- And I've noticed that sometimes posting in this thread results in a post getting reconsidered anyway
As for the posts in the post that sparked this conversation, the only one I'd defend proactively is the Echoes in Front of the Temple one, but only because I'm a fan of that series and it being unapproved would be a break from the convention for that series of all the side-story cover posts being approved and part of the pool.
And as for using this thread to ask for an explanation, I have actually done that before, and there are some posts that I have asked about before that I still don't understand (but again, I'll get to those once I've gotten everything else out of the way).
Any feedback on this post, please?
post #9280440
Why were these unapproved?
It may be a niche piece of content, but I believe its quality exceeds a certain standard, so I would greatly appreciate your consideration.
post #9219156
post #9219164
post #9232303
post #9240785
post #9240802
post #9242537
post #9244820
post #9244842
post #8925773
post #9256733
post #9256750 (A sequal to an already approved parent post)
post #9256771
post #9262753
post #9267498
post #9267606
post #9268054
post #9279369
post #9280689
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