Footwear Removed

BUR #6606 has been rejected.

create alias shoes_removed -> footwear_removed
create alias boots_removed -> footwear_removed
create alias sandals_removed -> footwear_removed
create alias slippers_removed -> footwear_removed

It seems very odd to have a general footwear removed tag alongside several specific shoes removed tags, with no implications and no direction on when to use which. In the case of headwear, hat removed and helmet removed both imply headwear removed. In the case of eyewear, glasses off and sunglasses removed are both aliased to eyewear removed. Legwear is ambiguous, like footwear.

I think there are three options: a) alias the specific tags to the general tag, b) imply the specific tags to the general umbrella tag, and c) nuke the general tag and just use specifics. I'm creating three BURs for these three options, to be voted on. I don't personally have a strong preference for which gets selected.

We also have shoe_removed, boot removed, and sandal removed for when a single shoe/boot is off. There's a few different ways we could go with these but I'll leave that for after we deal with the main tags to keep the BURs simple.

Discussed without much of an outcome in topic #14837 and topic #16883

BUR #6607 has been rejected.

mass update shoes_removed -> shoes
mass update boots_removed -> boots
mass update sandals_removed -> sandals
mass update slippers_removed -> slippers

Optional BUR to be done before option a) if that BUR is going to be accepted. To prevent loss of information: many shoes removed posts don't have shoes as well.

BUR #6609 has been rejected.

create implication shoes_removed -> footwear_removed
create implication boots_removed -> footwear_removed
create implication sandals_removed -> footwear_removed
create implication slippers_removed -> footwear_removed

Option B

BUR #6610 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

create implication shoes_removed -> shoes
create implication boots_removed -> boots
create implication sandals_removed -> sandals
create implication slippers_removed -> slippers

Optional BUR to go along with option B.

For shoes removed to be applicable, shoes must be visible in the image, per the wiki definitions. If there are no shoes in the image, shoes removed should not be used.

BUR #6611 has been rejected.

nuke footwear_removed

Option C.

If this is going to be accepted I'll go through and add the relevant specific tags first

Despite what their name might suggest, these tags are focused on the object, not the person. So shoes removed means there's unworn shoes in the picture. The actual tag for a character with no shoes is no shoes.
See also evazion's point in forum #182483.

For this reason, I'm not sure that we really need footwear removed.

Admittedly I don't see the point for headwear removed for the same reason. It's worth noting that those implications were created in topic #7408 9 years ago, so this might be a good time to revisit those as well.

The bulk update request #6606 (forum #193552) has been rejected by @nonamethanks.

The bulk update request #6607 (forum #193553) has been rejected by @nonamethanks.

The bulk update request #6609 (forum #193555) has been rejected by @nonamethanks.

The bulk update request #6610 (forum #193556) has been approved by @nonamethanks.

I'll manually move footwear removed into the appropriate tags. One thing to consider is whether we want these tags to imply no shoes however, since the characters don't have shoes on. Yes, technically the shoes are still in the picture, but no shoes is for when the character itself is not wearing them.

Though then again "no shoes" has the legwear clause.

The bulk update request #6611 (forum #193558) has been rejected by @nonamethanks.

I just found out there's also shoe removed, boot removed and sandal_removed, because of course there are. I will manually move these too because it seems it's a mix of single shoe and shoes removed with no easy way to sort them automatically.

nonamethanks said:

One thing to consider is whether we want these tags to imply no shoes however, since the characters don't have shoes on.

-1 to this because of the legwear clause, as you mentioned, and because, as I understand it, a character wearing one pair of shoes, with another pair next to them, would qualify for shoes removed but not no shoes.

I just found out there's also shoe removed, boot removed and sandal_removed, because of course there are. I will manually move these too because it seems it's a mix of single shoe and shoes removed with no easy way to sort them automatically.

Initially I had thought we could leave them alone, the distinction between shoe removed and single shoe being that the former is for one shoe, not being worn, regardless of whether there are feet in the image, while the latter is for one foot in a shoe, the other foot not in a shoe, regardless of whether the missing shoe is present in the image.

But I don't really think we need to or can maintain that distinction, and I agree that shoe removed is fine to be moved to shoes removed, as long as single shoe is added where appropriate (similarly for single boot etc.)