If we want to throw Pinterest and Huaban into the mix (probably the best solution in my opinion), wouldn't that require a different tag name? Last I checked, Pinterest and Huaban are not imageboards, so it'd be weird to have them in the tag too.
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Damian0358 said in forum #425871:
You'd think that, but I don't think bacon was thorough in his inclusion of e621 first-party sources. There's only 42 such posts currently in the favgroup, yet (assuming the tagging is proper) source:*e621* -third-party_source -second-party_source -artist_request -source_request has nearly 700 posts by itself. And currently it lacks posts sourced from Gelbooru, Paheal, et al.
There's a chance for the tag to get up to 2k posts, at least, without even considering Pinterest or Huaban.
Done. Pinterest and Huaban isn't familiar enough for me to rummage through. I did a bit of Gelbooru and Paheal too.
For the time being, I think e621 and rule34.xxx are enough to warrant creation of the tag.
The bulk update request #56873 (forum #425749) has been approved by @nonamethanks.
my first instinct was to say no, we have tags for those already, but on second thought i could see a named drawfag posting on a board (see: source:*4chan*/*/thread/* -drawfag arttags:1.. -third-party_source) as a justification for including *chans in the tag, as it gets increasingly difficult to search for at that point. can't just tell people to search drawfag or anonymous_(japanese) instead.
I feel as though we should keep booru-style imageboards and chan-style imageboards distinct too, just because they're different in nature, but then that necessitates a rename of the tag for clarity. Like imagebooru first-party source.
I actually asked the other day if Pinterest could be included in the Discord and came here to ask about it, only to find others having already brought it up.
For Danbooru purposes, Pinterest is so much closer to imageboards than other social media sites that I don't think it technically not being an imageboard should matter, given it's still predominantly a repository of (often lower-quality) reposts with very few cases of first-party uploads.
I know that personally when I see a Pinterest source in the queue I usually assume it's a third-party source.
I'd be willing to garden it if no one has any issues. There's usually contextual clues that can be used to determine first-party sources from Pinterest - such as the presence of artist commentary or hashtags like #myart or #digitalart, or the artist entry having a Pinterest account linked to it.
Confetto said in forum #436516:
For Danbooru purposes, Pinterest is so much closer to imageboards than other social media sites that I don't think it technically not being an imageboard should matter, given it's still predominantly a repository of (often lower-quality) reposts with very few cases of first-party uploads.
I personally think it does. The ways Pinterest and Huaban are used is closer to Know Your Meme than it is to Danbooru.
Damian0358 said in forum #436523:
I personally think it does. The ways Pinterest and Huaban are used is closer to Know Your Meme than it is to Danbooru.
I'm not comparing it to Danbooru specifically, I'm saying that it is closer to the way Rule 34 and Paheal are used as sources.
I'd honestly probably include KYM in that same category were it not for the fact that I highly doubt there's any first-party KYM sources hanging around.
I'm not sure it'd be beneficial to make a separate tag for Pinterest/Huaban first-party sources, and I'm not sure what other names could work if we wanted to rename the tag... Maybe "unusual_first-party_source" or something, if we really think the name matters? I just find it kind of a pedantic separation when the tag is meant to say "this is a first-party source from a site that is usually not".
BUR #61487 is pending approval.
mass update favgroup:57343 -> meta:unconventional_first-party_source
I encountered some Pinterest first-party images today, and realized there's no way for people to realize it's not a third-party source at a glance. I saw Confetto's input about this and liked the name, so I gardened a few posts to get a small favgroup together. I feel like unconventional fits more than unusual, to match things like unconventional media.
Feel free to suggest different tag names, I just wanted to get the ball rolling. There's definitely more posts out there that will need gardening once the tag exists too.
BUR #61490 is pending approval.
create alias imageboard_first-party_source -> unconventional_first-party_source
remove alias imageboard_first-party_source -> unconventional_first-party_source
create alias imagebooru_first-party_source -> unconventional_first-party_source
Given that people don't seem to have an issue with having Pinterest/Huaban/KYM included with imageboorus, may as well also do this, if we're going with the broader naming scheme.
Post-alias also changing it from 'imageboard' to 'imagebooru' for the utility alias just because I did see a *chan mistag, and frees up the old name to be used as a supra-drawfag/imageboard artist tag, since I feel like there's a worthwhile separation to be made there.
nonamethanks said in forum #450789:
"imagebooru" is not a term anyone has ever used, you want to remove a useful and established tag name in favor of something you made up on the spot that nobody will ever use?
Imagebooru as a term has been in use on TVTropes since 2012, and the first result I get searching it on Google is Danbooru itself, with the text "Danbooru is the original anime image booru. Search millions of anime pictures categorized by thousands of tags." something which, according to user #1538132, has been in the site's metadata since 2020.
Updated by Damian0358
nonamethanks said in forum #450809:
That's "image booru", as in "a booru for images", which is nearly all of the. "imagebooru" is something you made up. We already have a single term for it, it's "imageboard".
The alias you're trying to propose is pedantic nonsense.
I really see no distinction between "image booru" and "imagebooru", especially when "image board" exists alongside "imageboard" as well. You could've just called it a pedantic distinction rather that making up that I made it up.
And on that note, I don't think it's pedantic at all. If we actually include proper imageboards (and, by virtue of anonymous (japanese), also textboards), the majority of the tag would just be anon-drawn art and colorizations, since folks typically upload those straight from the source as opposed to one of the board/thread-centric boorus (boorus which already don't count since self-uploads are expected on them, making them conventional first-party sources).
It's pedantic because you are aliasing a tag, removing the old name, and adding one that serves no purpose, that you did make up (because nobody uses "imagebooru" as a single word, if I saw it in the sidebar I would wonder what kind of drugs the creator took), that nobody will ever search.
Nobody will ever type "imagebooru" in the search bar, and those who are used to the old name or have it bookmarked for any reason, or any bot that was relying on it, will have to eat shit. Some retard mistagged it once, so now everyone else has to be worse off for it.
BUR #61495 is pending approval.
create alias imageboard_first-party_source -> unconventional_first-party_source
Aye? Will this solve it?
nonamethanks said in forum #450812:
It's pedantic because you are aliasing a tag, removing the old name, and adding one that serves no purpose, that you did make up (because nobody uses "imagebooru" as a single word, if I saw it in the sidebar I would wonder what kind of drugs the creator took), that nobody will ever search.
Nobody will ever type "imagebooru" in the search bar, and those who are used to the old name or have it bookmarked for any reason, or any bot that was relying on it, will have to eat shit. Some retard mistagged it once, so now everyone else has to be worse off for it.
Given we're on the same website as tags like enmaided, often engage in tag disambiguation, and regularly discuss and update tags due to users being too idiotic, I don't see what point you're ultimately making here. Just say that you think the name is dumb, and don't tie it into your own pedantry.
