New tag: void_face

BUR #57923 is pending approval.

mass update favgroup:54349 -> void_face

Characters like Taokaka, Black Mage, Hyness, Raven Team Leader, or jawas- All of them possess the characteristic of undefined heads. I've made favgroup #54349 as a start for tagging characters fulfilling the criteria (Currently at 1,416 posts).

Other characters placed in this favgroup- Kaka Kittens, Suzukaka, Totokaka, Torakaka, Chachakaka, Orko.

Characters being considered- Magolor, Shadow (Kingdom Hearts), Veigar, Simirror.

Not gonna lie, pretty insane that we didn't have a tag for this until today.

How do we define the threshold between this and eyes_in_shadow, especially for characters like taokaka?

nonamethanks said in forum #436223:

Not gonna lie, pretty insane that we didn't have a tag for this until today.

How do we define the threshold between this and eyes_in_shadow, especially for characters like taokaka?

Ah. I have never seen this tag until today.

It looks like eyes in shadow and face in shadow overlap very hard with this new tag proposal. However, I believe a distinguishing trait might be that void face is an unmodified state of an established character. Which, potentially disqualifies Hyness? The present identifiers for Hyness include the black void eyes/face, but... My best concrete argument is that the example posts for the other two seem to give wiggle room for head shapes and distinguishable facial structure.

baconmeh2 said in forum #433910:

Characters being considered- Magolor, Shadow (Kingdom Hearts), Veigar, Simirror.

Not familiar with the Kingdom Hearts guy or Veigar, but I am an occasional Kirby uploader, so my first thought was "oh, so like Magolor?" upon seeing this BUR.

Needless to say: I'd be fine putting Magolor and Simirror in the tag. They have about the same amount of detail as the Black Mage (Final Fantasy) (s? I don't generally touch FF...) which qualify, so why not them too?

Should this apply to Shy Guy? Dimentio? The Heartless (kingdom hearts)/Shadow (Kingdom Hearts)? Be careful with that last one, look at post #8164074 for example and compare with post #8158723.

I know you mentioned the heartless in OP but I feel like it's worth nailing down.

PersonalFowl said in forum #436287:

Should this apply to Shy Guy? Dimentio? The Heartless (kingdom hearts)/Shadow (Kingdom Hearts)? Be careful with that last one, look at post #8164074 for example and compare with post #8158723.

I know you mentioned the heartless in OP but I feel like it's worth nailing down.

Shy Guy- no, that is explicitly a mask.
Dimention- ditto.
Heartless- already for consideration, but yes valid reasons to be on the fence.

A mask with hollow things... We already tag that in Knight (Hollow Knight), no?

Ah, I did not know hollow eyes existed. Those are completely different concepts. Thanks!

I love this kind of appearance; thank you for making the tag.

I noticed all the characters mentioned so far have a face. My first thought upon reading void face is characters with a head but no facial features at all:

Tyrael

Magicka wizard

Paradox (Deadlock)

Character whose alternate head is a snow globe but their default outfit has eyes

Nazgul

• asset #48059210: ethereal (warcraft)
• asset #48059214: Probably doesn't count because the black hole face looks too much like a giant eye
• asset #48059211: Doesn't count: Head not human-like enough to have a face in the first place

Do characters with a void for a head but no face count? E.g. their head or face is just some abstract galaxy. Probably don't want to lump in characters like Dante (Limbus Company) (entire head is a clock, not a helmet or mask, but it can feel like their face because it's permanently on fire)

Or is having a face a hard requirement? Because I'm not sure how to search for an empty hood look either. Unless that's just hole in face.

LQ said in forum #436513:

I love this kind of appearance; thank you for making the tag.

I noticed all the characters mentioned so far have a face. My first thought upon reading void face is characters with a head but no facial features at all:

Do characters with a void for a head but no face count? E.g. their head or face is just some abstract galaxy. Probably don't want to lump in characters like Dante (Limbus Company) (entire head is a clock, not a helmet or mask, but it can feel like their face because it's permanently on fire)

Or is having a face a hard requirement? Because I'm not sure how to search for an empty hood look either. Unless that's just hole in face.

Personally, I think Tyral, Magicka wizard, and Nazgul are perfect fits- zero indication of what lies inside the hoods.
As for Paradox, I'm not so sure. Art looks like their "face" is a lava lamp. I'd have to argue I can see perfectly fine into their dome. I'm unsure how transparency should factor in.
Uhhh snow globe person is gonna need a more thorough look.
Ethereal/ asset #48059210 seems acceptable.

That seems reasonable. Paradox's dome may be fully black, but I think her and snow globe man are more like slimes or fishbowl helmet people.

Mysterio canonically wears a fishbowl helmet so maybe he shouldn't count, like a biker helmet or Halo visor. But I'd be fine if this counted as void face as it's meant to look very alien and otherworldly; helmet or mask isn't supposed to be your first thought.

The Arc Warden probably counts as his head looks more like a void of plasma/energy rather than any body tissue

Slimes don't count as the head is just translucent (and often empty)

Domes are seriously edge cases. I might be inclined to say that their physically tangible nature could qualify them for their own tag. Void dome? Empty dome? The glass casing around 100% of the head kinda changes it drastically.

The domes seem closer to object head, though not exactly that either.

Based off the examples of this tag thusfar, would you say a character needs to specifically have no visible hair, nose, or jawline, to qualify for void face? I noticed the lack of those features are consistent across pretty much all the characters mentioned so far. If so I think that would be a useful distinguisher to put in the wiki to set it apart from just face/eyes in shadow.

voiceofthecold said in forum #436560:

Based off the examples of this tag thusfar, would you say a character needs to specifically have no visible hair, nose, or jawline, to qualify for void face? I noticed the lack of those features are consistent across pretty much all the characters mentioned so far. If so I think that would be a useful distinguisher to put in the wiki to set it apart from just face/eyes in shadow.

baconmeh2 said in forum #433910:

All of them possess the characteristic of undefined heads.

Aye, that's how I started this thread.

voiceofthecold said in forum #436560:

Based off the examples of this tag thusfar, would you say a character needs to specifically have no visible hair, nose, or jawline, to qualify for void face? I noticed the lack of those features are consistent across pretty much all the characters mentioned so far. If so I think that would be a useful distinguisher to put in the wiki to set it apart from just face/eyes in shadow.

Needs to be more than that or else post #10811612 would apply. Or said another way, here's a good image to include as a non-example on the eventual wiki.