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nonamethanks said in forum #425827:
We also need a tag for genderswaps acting like they didn't get genderswapped: post #11004148. Thoughts about the name?
Would the difference between someone unaware of being genderswapped and someone aware but denying their genderswap be useful? Because all I got now is genderswap_unaware/genderswap_clueless and genderswap denial. Throwing names as they come.
I'm out of ideas, but now that I think about it, there's no tag for situations where characters realize a gender swap has occurred either. Many posts either don't mention it at all or treat the situation as an AU where the character has always been the other gender
てはいさ said in forum #425829:
I'm out of ideas, but now that I think about it, there's no tag for situations where characters realize a gender swap has occurred either. Many posts either don't mention it at all or treat the situation as an AU where the character has always been the other gender
This also seems to be the case for transformation arts, some of them doesn't actually transform their clothes as well, making the genderswapped characters confused what is going on with them.
BUR #56894 has been approved by @nonamethanks.
create implication double_other_genderswap -> genderswap_(otf)
create implication double_other_genderswap -> genderswap_(otm)
I found this tag by checking what tags with "genderswap" in the name exist
If I understand correctly, this is supposed to represent the search below
genderswap_(otf) genderswap_(otm) ~dual_persona ~multiple_persona
I've added a bunch of Fate posts to genderswap_unaware to start the tag up.
nonamethanks said in forum #425910:
I've added a bunch of Fate posts to genderswap_unaware to start the tag up.
If the intent is to cover characters like Mordred (Fate), I think that would weigh against using "genderswap" in the tag name, because we don't typically tag the Fate "actually this historical/mythical person was always female" characters as genderswap, not least because they would swamp the tag to uselessness.
Best I can come up with gender_denial? Although that might be too close to gender dysphoria.
nonamethanks said in forum #425394:
I think there'd be value in also having genderswapped into yuri/genderswapped into yaoi/genderswapped into hetero, but it depends on how many posts we have. I'm thinking about something like "this relationship is normally hetero, but one character has been genderswapped and now it's yuri". I guess the idea I have in my head is more of a tag for "heterosexual into homosexual via genderswap" and viceversa, but I don't know how to phrase it.
How would canon genderswaps play with this? They usually aren't tagged as genderswap unless the original form is referenced, and in some cases are officially distinct characters. Like, post #10816485 would fit the literal definition, but doesn't have any kind of genderswap tags because they're considered different characters in the first place.
In the same way we tag creature and personification on umamusume despite not tagging the individual characters as personification.
nonamethanks said in forum #425923:
In the same way we tag creature and personification on umamusume despite not tagging the individual characters as personification.
Ah yeah, I forgot about that. That works.
nonamethanks said in forum #425910:
I've added a bunch of Fate posts to genderswap_unaware to start the tag up.
I had put genderswap clueless as well in my reply above since unaware is aliased to clueless, so I don’t know if you want to alias this too for consistency or…
Also, about genderswap denial. Maybe post #10903238, post #10875996 and similar could fit this concept? The current definition of denial doesn’t really fit those posts, in case of a potential genderswap denial search.
BUR #56965 is pending approval.
mass update favgroup:53667 -> genderswap_aware
As I mentioned, here is a sample of posts for the tag I suggested.
I found a post I can't seem to classify. Is it somehow both genderswap_aware and genderswap_unaware?
post #10129281
post #10023910
post #9769798
post #9495257
post #8726477
post #8668604
post #8545014
post #8458138
post #8316091
post #7274280
post #7112384
post #6711746
post #6301737
post #6225131
post #6124979
post #5909569
post #5225015
post #3666968
This post, however, seems to me that only one of these tags fits, but I don't know which one. On the one hand, Frieren notices the changes in her body, but she talks about them very descriptively, as if she didn't realize that they meant she had been transformed into a man.
post #7671194
Updated by てはいさ
Also, I found some posts under the tag genderswap where the new gender looks practically the same as the original one
post #8203968
post #7596239
post #7730267
post #10229503
post #10754448
てはいさ said in forum #426023:
Also, I found some posts under the tag genderswap where the new gender looks practically the same as the original one
post #8203968
post #7596239
post #7730267
post #10229503
post #10754448
I'd say a tag like identical genderswap would suffice.
BUR #56973 has been rejected.
create alias genderswap_unaware -> genderswap_clueless
aster1a said in forum #425940:
I had put genderswap clueless as well in my reply above since unaware is aliased to clueless, so I don’t know if you want to alias this too for consistency or…
Maybe, though I'm not too sold on this. Also it's kind of a counterpart to the genderswap aware proposed above, so they would mismatch as tags.
I don't think either "unaware" or "clueless" fit the posts that are in that tag right now. In most of those it isn't that the characters don't know about the genderswap, it's just that a character is being referred to as the original gender or claiming to be the original gender. Almost all of them I would actually call genderswap aware if we created that tag, because the characters clearly know about the genderswap:
Examples:
Fenton said in forum #426025:
I'd say a tag like identical genderswap would suffice.
Some of the posts you added are not that close to the original...
post #3940236 (compare: post #9107518)
Updated by てはいさ
てはいさ said in forum #426064:
Some of the posts you added are not that close to the original...
post #9107518
post #9107518
For Frieren's case, I only added the tag because of her hairstyle, I didn't account for the costume.
てはいさ said in forum #426064:
Some of the posts you added are not that close to the original...
post #3940236 (compare: post #9107518)
The image you're pointing to? That's one of her official alternate costumes, her original costume is post #2620371.
The difference in physique is very noticeable. This isn't meant to be a random gender swap with the same clothes and hairstyle, nor a random gender swap between a woman and a crossdresser (or vice versa), but so much so that without a description, it's impossible to notice anything different
てはいさ said in forum #426282:
The difference in physique is very noticeable. This isn't meant to be a random gender swap with the same clothes and hairstyle, nor a random gender swap between a woman and a crossdresser (or vice versa), but so much so that without a description, it's impossible to notice anything different
Then you can edit the wiki to be more specific and maybe add examples.
