Reworking Arknights's copytag

BUR #55120 has been rejected.

remove implication arknights:_endfield -> arknights
create implication arknights -> arknights_(series)
create implication arknights:_endfield -> arknights_(series)

I don't like this.
However I don't think I can come up with a better solution for now!

At the moment Endfield is getting about as many daily artworks as og Arknights is.
Since the two have an overrall different setting, I think it would be a good idea to split the tags, like we did with The Legend Of Zelda: Breath Of The Wild/The Legend Of Zelda: Tears Of The Kingdom, and make a series tag that covers both.
I'm open to opinions.

If you're going to make a claim like that, please back it up with sources like we had for the GFL series tag discussion. You don't seem to be wrong though, both are floating at around 50 to 200 posts per day, with uploads since Endfield's release seeing OG!Arknights dipping slightly even, though I imagine just like GFL it'll stabilize and keep its current tempo.

While there's no naming issue, the underlying core problem with GFL also applies here.

evazion said in forum #333019:

I also don't like having a tag that's 95% the first game. The only benefit to this would be being able to search for content specifically from the first game, but [the two games] have so much overlap that that doesn't appear to be useful. Maybe that will change as we get more [...] posts [of the second game].

As I had discussed previously in topic #19556 and forum #393182, GFL is not getting any closer to overcoming this post count imbalance, and Arknights has a way, way larger imbalance to overcome, though Endfield's nearly gotten to the same post count in one month after release which has taken GFL2 over a year or so on Global to achieve, so who knows whether Endfield can keep up the tempo and overcome it.

evazion himself also made an elaboratory comment recently on the Discord server on the topic of a prospective GFL series tag, which arguably applies as much here:

evazion said in the Discord:

I'm not really against it but I'm skeptical it will be that useful
if it's still called girls_frontline and we make a new girls_frontline_1 tag then most people will just continue searching girls_frontline and ignore the GFL1 tag
if it's called reverse_collapse or whatever and we keep girls_frontline for GFL1, people will continue searching girls_frontline without realizing they're missing out on GFL2 posts
it's like overwatch, we made OW1 and OW2 tags but everyone kept searching just overwatch because that's what people call it and they didn't care about the distinction between the two
there's a bigger difference between GFL1 and GFL2 than OW1 and OW2, but still

All of this is to say, you need to make the argument that it would actually be useful to have a distinct copytag for the first game under current circumstances.

The problem with this is that people will continue searching Arknights not realizing that's only getting them content from the first game, not from Endfield. We can't have two tags called copyright and copyright_(series), people won't know the difference.

See for example Nier vs Nier (series) and notice how often people mistag Nier on Nier:Automata posts because they think it means Nier the series.

Damian0358 said in forum #419544:

If you're going to make a claim like that, please back it up with sources

That was actually the first thing I did before making that statement, but I figured links weren't needed, whoops
I'll keep it in mind for next time, ty

evazion said in forum #419545:

The problem with this is that people will continue searching Arknights not realizing that's only getting them content from the first game

I thought about that too, but I haven't come up with a satisfactory answer. arknights (first game) is very ugly but does it's job I guess...

That said, compared to Nier:Automata, I'm seeing people calling the game Endfield, not Arknights... So maybe that won't happen as much...?

Login_to_view said in forum #419548:

I thought about that too, but I haven't come up with a satisfactory answer. arknights (first game) is very ugly but does it's job I guess...

Presumably the solution here would be a simple arknights_1 even if no one calls it that because Endfield is a spin-off and not a sequel.

evazion said in forum #419545:

See for example Nier vs Nier (series) and notice how often people mistag Nier on Nier:Automata posts because they think it means Nier the series.

This reminds me of a couple years back when the tag for Pikmin 1 was just plain old Pikmin, resulting it getting tagged on a lot of random images unrelated to the first game, when the actual tag is Pikmin (Series).

While the change actually did become canonized with the port of Pikmin 1 and 2 to the Switch, I mostly made the request at the time to put a cork in exactly this. Arknights could end up falling prey to the exact same problem if this goes through, for all I know. But Endfield is still very very new, so we'll just see how the post count steadies and go from there.

I don't care what the tag for the OG game is called, as someone who's not very fond of Endfield, I don't want to have to search arknights -arknights:_endfield each time I want to check out new AK fanart that's been posted, which is necessary because most of the recent posts in AK tag are Endfield and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

I like this, but similar to what Knowledge Seeker said, it might still be a bit too early to make any real judgements. Whether the number of posts will reach a number comparable to OG Arknights enough to warrant its own standalone tag is hard to say, but if it does reach that point then this might be something we could do.

Also, I think that there's enough art out there for arknights_(series) to pop up as a tag or search suggestion when typing in arknights in the event that it's created, which should at least hint users at a difference between the two.

Endfield is 2% of all arknights posts. An umbrella tag in this case is pointless. You're adding an extra copyright to 130k posts that serves no purpose.

nonamethanks said in forum #419645:

Endfield is 2% of all arknights posts. An umbrella tag in this case is pointless. You're adding an extra copyright to 130k posts that serves no purpose.

I agree that that is, perhaps, nothing more than a temporary bump while Endfield has got that new car smell and would also opt to wait a bit longer before we consider an umbrella tag.

However, in my opinion, a one-month-old game having a whole number percentage of the posts of a six year old game is notable enough that this discussion does serve a purpose. And while I don't think it will be nearly as drastic a contrast as Honkai_Impact_3Rd vs Honkai:_Star_Rail, we're already seeing Endfield starting to edge out the original after Endfield's release. More relevant to the discussion is that Endfield makes up 55.8% of new uploads since its release on Jan 22.

Post count for arknights:_endfield date:>2026-01-22: 3407
Post count for arknights -arknights:_endfield date:>2026-01-22: 2703

Ai-to-Yukai said in forum #419656:

a one-month-old game having a whole number percentage of the posts of a six year old game is notable enough that this discussion does serve a purpose.

I completely agree. Also, we're talking in the order of thousands, not hundreds.

BUR #55180 has been rejected.

create alias arknights -> arknights_1

I'm going to start putting these to vote

BUR #55181 has been rejected.

create alias arknights -> arknights_(first_game)

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Login_to_view said in forum #419753:

BUR #55181 has been rejected.

create alias arknights -> arknights_(first_game)

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Please no

The bulk update request #55180 (forum #419752) has been rejected by @Login_to_view.

The bulk update request #55181 (forum #419753) has been rejected by @Login_to_view.

Ok, both of these were a terrible idea, but the point still stands that there should be something replacing arknights if this bur goes through. Unless we want to leave it as just arknights and see what happens?

Login_to_view said in forum #419823:

Ok, both of these were a terrible idea, but the point still stands that there should be something replacing arknights if this bur goes through. Unless we want to leave it as just arknights and see what happens?

Feels like the current majority consensus is just to wait a bit longer until that new game smell wears off and new art submissions stabilize.

What about arknights_(game), arknights which is for series and arknights: endfield, though the nier tagging problems could appear here too maybe. Why does the tag even has to specify it's the first game even?

ggraphy said in forum #419937:

Why does the tag even has to specify it's the first game even?

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