alias spoken_squiggle -> spoken_scribble

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BUR #54723 has been rejected.

create alias spoken_squiggle -> spoken_scribble

alias spoken squiggle -> spoken scribble

ALSO I just now found that spoken squiggle implies squiggle, which sort of doubles the problem.
I'm not sure what should done about that, but I'd say it's unnecessary at best

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Sorry for creating a new thread, I couldn't figure out how to create a new BUR and paste it in the old one.
For those reading, please look at some random spoken squiggle images, you will see 85% or more are scribbles.
This distinction isn't very important, but running this command will do 2 things:
1 - 85-90% of images with the spoken squiggle tag will no longer be mistagged as having squiggles
2 - It'll be much easier for taggers/users to find/use the spoken_* tag, as typing "scribble" will now show spoken_scribble

Blank_User said in forum #418105:

Scribble was deprecated for being ambiguous, as you were told before. How would spoken scribble be any less ambiguous? If you want even the slightest chance of this going through, you would need to get scribble undeprecated first. Why haven't you attempted to do this yet?

How did you even arrive at the 85-90% number anyway? There are over 7,000 of spoken squiggle posts. How many of those did you actually look at?

Why is scribble censor being used then, with 1.7k images?

Have you looked at any of the spoken squiggle posts?
The 85-90% number is obvious. I was just guessing, but I went back and looked.
Out of the first 30 images, only 4 contained a squiggle. So, 86.67% of the 30 most recent images.
That also means there are 26 images mis-tagged with squiggle.

Why are we tagging squiggle to images that don't have one?

Are images with scribbles tagged with squiggle instead?
If not, then what are they tagged with?

It appears the original mistake comes from deprecating scribble.

trapster77 said in forum #418108:

do you know what a squiggle is?

Why yes, I do. But here is the wiki definition of each.

Squiggle:
"A small wiggly mark or scrawl.
A short twisting or wiggling line or mark."

Note the word "small" and "short" being used in both descriptions.
This word is also used to describe controlled lines, such as wavy or circular (tornado) lines.

Scribble:
"To write (a note, for example) hurriedly without heed to legibility or style.
To draw (a picture) hurriedly or carelessly.
To write in a hurried careless way."

A completely different word in English. It can also refer to scribbles done by children.

Scribbled lines are chaotic, overlapping, and usually random. They're usually round when contained in a speech bubble.

CyclicallyCynical said:

I've DM'd a user asking how to create BURs in comments already.
Instead of sending this crap, you could've told me how to do this you know?

You just click 'Request alias/implication' when viewing the topic you want to attach the new BUR in.

GranAutismo said in forum #418114:

It says how to attach a BUR to existing topic in BUR creation page already, if you can't read that's not my issue.

I can read bro, but I'm brand new to the site. The only thing I've done until a few days ago was search images.
Having to click 'Request alias/implication' is nowhere in this page's 'Help' page.
It definitely should be, since this is the page where comments are sent.
It's not intuitive at all that you have to click to go back to the BUR page and then go to its 'Help' page instead of this one's for that info.
I'm learning and trying to contribute and people are being extremely negative and hostile for no reason.

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CyclicallyCynical said in forum #418106:

Why is scribble censor being used then, with 1.7k images?

Good question. If the current position is that "scribble" and "squiggle" are interchangeable, then I see no reason not to rename it for consistency's sake.

Have you looked at any of the spoken squiggle posts?

I've been using this site for years, so yes, I've seen plenty of them. I also agree with the others that the distinction doesn't really matter all that much. And I'm a native English speaker.

The 85-90% number is obvious. I was just guessing, but I went back and looked.
Out of the first 30 images, only 4 contained a squiggle. So, 86.67% of the 30 most recent images.
That also means there are 26 images mis-tagged with squiggle.

30 posts is only about 0.42% of 7103. Your sample size is far too small to get any meaningful information from the posts as a whole.

Why are we tagging squiggle to images that don't have one?

Are images with scribbles tagged with squiggle instead?

Yes. Isn't that your motivation for making these topics in the first place? Because you disagreed with this?

It appears the original mistake comes from deprecating scribble.

If you believe that, then submit a BUR to undeprecate it.

CyclicallyCynical said in forum #418116:

I can read bro, but I'm brand new to the site. The only thing I've done until a few days ago was search images.
Having to click 'Request alias/implication' is nowhere in this page's 'Help' page.
It definitely should be, since this is the page where comments are sent.
It's not intuitive at all that you have to click to go back to the BUR page and then go to its 'Help' page instead of this one's for that info.
I'm learning and trying to contribute and people are being extremely negative and hostile for no reason.

You were the one to start getting "hostile" in the other thread when others were merely criticizing your ideas. These mini-rants were really not necessary.

That said, regarding the help page (help:bulk_update_requests), it isn't always easy to find the correct page with the information you need. Sometimes you need to search for titles in the wiki to find it and hope you got the title close enough to where you'll actually get the page you're looking for. So before anyone criticizes others of not reading the guide, they should consider how easy it is to access the page first. Not everything on there is as intuitive as it could be.

BUR #54726 has been rejected.

create alias scribble_background -> squiggle_background
create alias scribble_censor -> squiggle_censor

As I said above and argued by others (forum #418090), if we're leaving scribble deprecated due to ambiguity, we should not have it in the tag names.

This BUR is to make the tag names more consistent and is not concerned with the difference between scribbles and squiggles.

Blank_User said in forum #418123:

BUR #54726 has been rejected.

create alias scribble_background -> squiggle_background
create alias scribble_censor -> squiggle_censor

As I said above and argued by others (forum #418090), if we're leaving scribble deprecated due to ambiguity, we should not have it in the tag names.

This BUR is to make the tag names more consistent and is not concerned with the difference between scribbles and squiggles.

not necessary to make the tags "consistent" when they don't actually mean the same thing

squiggle?
not squiggle
squiggle

basically none of the spoken squiggle posts are just "scribble something in zig zag" because that's not what a squiggle means, but scribble background doesn't necessarily have squiggle-shaped scribbles in it

trapster77 said in forum #418161:

not necessary to make the tags "consistent" when they don't actually mean the same thing

basically none of the spoken squiggle posts are just "scribble something in zig zag" because that's not what a squiggle means, but scribble background doesn't necessarily have squiggle-shaped scribbles in it

The majority have consistently voted that it is not worth distinguishing between the two. Explaining the differences is not going to change their minds. You need to explain why we should consider them distinct concepts.

Blank_User said in forum #418123:

BUR #54726 has been rejected.

create alias scribble_background -> squiggle_background
create alias scribble_censor -> squiggle_censor

As I said above and argued by others (forum #418090), if we're leaving scribble deprecated due to ambiguity, we should not have it in the tag names.

This BUR is to make the tag names more consistent and is not concerned with the difference between scribbles and squiggles.

This seems so odd to me, as the word scribble is used so much more often.

trapster77 said in forum #418161:

not necessary to make the tags "consistent" when they don't actually mean the same thing

squiggle?
not squiggle
squiggle

basically none of the spoken squiggle posts are just "scribble something in zig zag" because that's not what a squiggle means, but scribble background doesn't necessarily have squiggle-shaped scribbles in it

Exactly. I don’t know a single person who’d call that first image a “squiggle” - like the fuck lmao.
Everyone’s got their asses screwed in fucking backwards. I feel like I’m getting trolled.
The word “squiggle” is so rarely used, it’s crazy to me it was kept and “scribble” was deprecated.
The real fuck up was depracating scribble.
Instead of fixing the real problem, everyone’s voting to confuse things even more.
The real solution is to undepracate scribble. And if possible, revert the tag changes.
Not calling everything a squiggle, when that’s a completely different word with a very specific shape…

CyclicallyCynical said in forum #418180:

The real fuck up was depracating scribble.
Instead of fixing the real problem, everyone’s voting to confuse things even more.
The real solution is to undepracate scribble. And if possible, revert the tag changes.
Not calling everything a squiggle, when that’s a completely different word with a very specific shape…

Okay, submit a BUR to undeprecate it then.

Blank_User said in forum #418122:

1: Good question. If the current position is that "scribble" and "squiggle" are interchangeable, then I see no reason not to rename it for consistency's sake.

2: I've been using this site for years, so yes, I've seen plenty of them. I also agree with the others that the distinction doesn't really matter all that much. And I'm a native English speaker.

3: 30 posts is only about 0.42% of 7103. Your sample size is far too small to get any meaningful information from the posts as a whole.

4: Yes. Isn't that your motivation for making these topics in the first place? Because you disagreed with this?

5: If you believe that, then submit a BUR to undeprecate it.

6: You were the one to start getting "hostile" in the other thread when others were merely criticizing your ideas. These mini-rants were really not necessary.

That said, regarding the help page (help:bulk_update_requests), it isn't always easy to find the correct page with the information you need. Sometimes you need to search for titles in the wiki to find it and hope you got the title close enough to where you'll actually get the page you're looking for. So before anyone criticizes others of not reading the guide, they should consider how easy it is to access the page first. Not everything on there is as intuitive as it could be.

1: So we agree on this. If any changes being discussed go through, I think it should at least be this one.

2: When have you ever hear a scribble described as a squiggle? I’ve heard the term “squiggly line” used, but that’s a very specific thing. Squiggles are wavy or circular lines, very little chaos. Scribbles are completely random, uncontrolled, and very chaotic. This word also refers very specifically to children’s doodles, like with crayons. You’d never call a children’s doodles “squiggles”, virtually everyone calls them scribbles.

3: Using statistics, this calculates to the average % of mistagged posts being 86.67% with a 95% confidence interval of roughly 75% to 99%. In other words, only 30 images are needed to determine that there’s only a 5% chance the actual percentage of mistagged posts is under 75%. If you want to try being smart, consider using math instead of your intuition. If you disagree with my proof, you can go and look at more images and honestly count them yourself.

4: My motivation was to point out that there are inconsistincies, which led to me missing these tags when I was using the ai search to look for bar censor images to correct false-negatives.

5: I think this is what needs to happen. This whole fuckfest is due to some smoothbrained activities that had to have occured for the word scribble to be replaced with squiggle - like wtaf happened there?!

6: I was asking people to explain why they didn’t read my whole post before downvoting, or why they didn’t leave a comment explaining why they downvoted. What does this whole forum even exist for, if not to discuss topics? Why are approvers downvoting my post, and then don’t explain shit to me, when I’d just posted my FIRST post? If they don’t help new contributers understand how tf to use this thing, who will? Buddha? Jesus of Nazareth? Diddy?

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Ylimegirl said in forum #418204:

Okay, submit a BUR to undeprecate it then.

Eh, I don’t think these folks seem like anything I post. I feel like I’m getting trolled or something, I don’t know.
I’ll try and post it, but I can already smell my charred corpse burning at the stake from over that hill.

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