[Arknights] Costume implications

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magcolo said in forum #416743:

This brings out something I've been wanting to discuss. There isn't a firm standard on non-playable appearances from story stages for the moment, but most of them use descriptive qualifiers instead of source qualifiers. I don't really mind either way, but I would like there to be a standard.

Counterarguments to source qualifier:

  • Multiple non-playable appearances from the same source, such as Kal'tsit's A Walk in the Dust outfits (forum #388836).
  • It's unlikely for most people unfamiliar with the material to know the origin, so it might create confusion, especially for characters with a lot of costume tags.
  • Certain appearances already have an easy and concise descriptive term, such as the *_(young)_(arknights) tags, the *_(summer)_(arknights) tags and the *(npc)_(arknights) tags.

Counterarguments to descriptive qualifier:

  • Harder to think of a descriptive name for certain appearances.
  • Certain appearances already have an easy and concise source term, such as the *(act*)_(arknights) tags.

In the specific case of Frostnova I think frostnova (if) (arknights) or frostnova (rhodes island uniform) (arknights) are better qualifiers.

Also, we already have rhodes island uniform, so I don't know if we want to double tag her with a costume tag. I don't oppose the idea, but do note in most cases the decision is no. Does anyone remember if there are exceptions?

I also personally believe that my naming for this outfit of Frostnova is overly complex. The current name was chosen because it felt like the safest option at the time.
However, I think it's necessary to distinguish this outfit from the standard Rhodes Island uniform Firstly, while most uniforms are primarily black, this one is grey. Secondly, this is the official outfit for the if Frostnova survives and joins Rhodes Island, making it different from other fan-made designs of a surviving Frostnova.

feng8488 said in forum #416756:

However, I think it's necessary to distinguish this outfit from the standard Rhodes Island uniform Firstly, while most uniforms are primarily black, this one is grey.

I don't think this is a noteworthy reason. Rhodes island uniform is not a standardized uniform but a personalized uniform. It's not like everyone else wears something standardized. Touch also has a grey coat.

feng8488 said in forum #416756:

Secondly, this is the official outfit for the if Frostnova survives and joins Rhodes Island, making it different from other fan-made designs of a surviving Frostnova.

I do agree with most of it. There is also pool:Arknights_-_Standard-Issue_Rhodes_Island_Operator_Uniforms that is supposed to cover unofficial cosplay/parody of the uniform, but it's an old pool and hasn't been maintained since forever, I kind of want to get rid of it.

I want to add some entries for character outfits and forms, and I'd like to check if the naming is correct.

Ambience Synesthesia related:
zuo_le_(ambience_synesthesia)_(arknights) post #9091021
ebenholz_(ambience_synesthesia)_(arknights) post #9091162
blaze_(ambience_synesthesia_2025)_(arknights) or blaze_the_igniting_spark_(ambience_synesthesia)_(arknights) post #9091162
exusiai_(ambience_synesthesia_2024)_(arknights) post #8871926
lappland_(ambience_synesthesia_2025)_(arknights) or lappland_the_decadenzak_(ambience_synesthesia)_(arknights) post #9086787

Character form related:
mostima_(before_fallen)_(arknights) post #3930725

May I ask for your opinion on a few naming choices?
For post #9790951 of Lemuen, would it be better to use lemuen_(cardinal)_(arknights) or lemuen_(cardinal_uniform)_(arknights)?
Also, is it correct to use mostima_(before_fallen)_(arknights) for post #3930725 of Mostima?
Finally, for post #9091162 of Blaze, do you think this should be categorized under blaze_the_igniting_spark or just blaze?
Ok,I noticed that the illustration of Blaze in the preview event is the Guard version, so I'll categorize it under blaze.
I truly hope to get your input on this, as it would help avoid potential issues.

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feng8488 said in forum #420393:

For post #9790951 of Lemuen, would it be better to use lemuen_(cardinal)_(arknights) or lemuen_(cardinal_uniform)_(arknights)?

There are a few more uniforms like these in Arknights. I'm still waiting to get more instances of them to see if they should be
a) qualified as (Position)
b) qualified as (Position uniform)
c) turned into a general tag

Because a lot of them either feature a playable character's default outfit, or is worn by many characters including a minor alternate outfit of a playable character. Meaning both costume tags and general tags are useful, but having both is redundant.

Also, is it correct to use mostima_(before_fallen)_(arknights) for post #3930725 of Mostima?

"Before fallen" is definitely an awkward qualifier, I would not suggest that. And what you're depicting here is actually not Mostima (before fallen), it's Mostima (school uniform). This is actually a more complicated situation. It kind of falls back to the first problem.

Finally, for post #9091162 of Blaze, do you think this should be categorized under blaze_the_igniting_spark or just blaze?
Ok,I noticed that the illustration of Blaze in the preview event is the Guard version, so I'll categorize it under blaze.

I assume you mean post #9070108. Usually Ambience Synesthesia participants factor Alter distinctions, so you can see which exact version of a character it is, you don't need to take a guess. Strangely the program list on prts listed her just as "็…Œ" instead of "็ƒ›็…Œ". I couldn't find an official source confirming or denying that.

A few of these have been intentionally avoided in my previous gardenings for one reason or another. maybe it's time to solve them now, but they would need some discussions before they can be implemented.

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