Inconsistent gesture tagging scheme

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BUR #54537 has been rejected.

mass update paw_pose -> double_paw_pose
mass update claw_pose -> double_claw_pose
mass update one_paw_pose -> paw_pose
mass update one_claw_pose -> claw_pose
create implication double_paw_pose -> paw_pose
create implication double_claw_pose -> claw_pose

All gesture and pose tags follow the same tagging scheme, except for 2: paw and claw

Every other pose/gesture tag follows the format:
1 or more hands used: (v, w, middle w, middle finger, \m/, \n/, finger gun, l hand, fox shadow puppet, etc.)
Both hands used: (double v, double w, double middle w, double middle finger, double \m/, double \n/, double finger gun, double l, double fox shadow puppet)

But with paw and claw, the format is:
1 hand used: (one paw pose, one claw pose)
Both hands used: (paw pose, claw pose)

To fix this, we could either:
A: explicitly define paw pose and claw pose as gestures involving both hands, then scrub images to remove FN's
B: update paw pose and claw pose to double paw pose and double claw pose, then scrub images to remove FP's

With A, all paw pose and claw pose images will need to be scrubbed for False-Negatives of one paw pose and one claw pose tags. This is the current approach, which results in creating more work for ourselves down the road when the tags are eventually aligned with the rest of the tags in [[Tag group:gestures].

If we choose B and fix the inconsistency, less work is created down the road and it becomes much easier to search images with these tags. All that'd need to be done after updating the tags is to scrub them for False-Positives, which I'd be more than happy to do if needed.

As it is now, there are 1,000s of paw pose and claw pose images with incorrect tags and unsearchable variants.
The longer we take to make the above corrections, the more work that'll need to be done eventually down the road.
If the BUR is accepted, I'll scrub through the images and remove the False-Positives for the new tags.
If the BUR is rejected, I'll get to work on manually correcting the False-Negatives for the current tags.

This BUR does not fix anything. All it does is move an already established tag to a redundant one, and imply it to the tag it already was. This BUR in its current state will make paw pose have a 99% overlap with the new double paw pose. This BUR is de facto pushing for consistency, just because. You'd really be better off populating the tag you already made and getting it implied.

てはいさ said in forum #417383:

(I'm using a translation app, so I apologize.)

I received a message asking why I downvoted.

I did so because this thread is a duplicate of the previous one, as hasu_no_tokimeki said.

Guess you really won't talk to me huh? What's your problem?

AngryZapdos said in forum #417404:

We don't need new tags for either case, as they're both already searchable with the paw_pose hands_up and paw_pose hand_up searches (same for claws). The latter has a few arm_up false positives, but the majority of the results on the first five pages are one-handed variants.

The first person to actually say something of substance! Thank you!

I hadn't considered that, thank you for the suggestion. I think the change would still be good technically, but I can understand why it's not needed. I imagine that if the site stays around for long enough, it'll eventually be fixed, but guess that's not our problem.

I definitely see why you made a new BUR as the old one was doing contradictory things in a single BUR but like Zapdos said, the tags you're asking for already exists in multiple tags.

If anything, I think claw pose should be implied in one claw pose and same for the paw one, which isn't the case atm but that's about it imo.

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