We currently use the gym tag for smaller fitness studios you'd workout in and the larger sports halls commonly found in schools. They should probably be split to be honest so figured I'd BUR a favgroup for it.
Decided to go with sports hall as it's probably the least ambiguous name for it. Gymnasium, for example, means different things in different parts of the world. Speaking of gymnasium, it's currently aliased to gym so if this BUR goes through then it might need to be switched to this new tag.
-1, pulling school gymnasiums out of the gym tag is a poorly thought out idea. People are not going to magically remember to only use the sports hall tag for school gymnasiums, especially when they're using other tags like gym uniform and gym storeroom alongside it. The creation of a sports hall tag is fine, but it can only ever be a subtag of the gym tag or else it'll always require endless cleaning because pulling them out of the gym tag is a fool's errand when too many people will always think of using the gym tag for them.
Original comment: I'm guessing it is UK English, as I've never heard that term used for school gymnasiums. Could just as easily pull out the other images under gym and move them to a tag like fitness club, fitness center, health club, etc.
Other alternatives would be to keep them all under gym, and use tags like sports hall and fitness center/club as subtags or deprecate gym and force them under the more detailed tags.
I would suggest deprecating gym, moving all the workout gyms to fitness gym or training gym, and moving all the sports halls to something like sports gym, school gym, or gymnasium, or at least using them as utility aliases.
Keeping gym as an umbrella tag would have the problem of people continuing to use it for both without distinguishing them.
When Dan initially pitched this on the Discord, he pointed out how sports halls aren't exclusively a thing at schools, they also exist at general leisure centers as well. Searching "leisure gymnasium" shows as many hits for sports halls as it does for fitness studios, so that means the word 'gymnasium' is as deprecation worthy as gym. In addition, in a lot of places, 'gymnasium' is used to referred to the whole high school: my own high school was a gymnasium, for instance.
So school_gym and school_gymnasium are what I'm gonna propose as utility aliases, and keeping the current name as 'sports hall' to force people to think what they're tagging. I initially also included sports_gym, but apparently that's the word the Japanese use to refer to fitness gyms (that and "fitness club").
In turn, for the fitness studios, I'd also support something like fitness_studio or fitness_center being the main tag name, and having something like fitness_gym, wellness_gym, workout_gym, and training_gym as utility aliases.
People are not going to magically remember to only use the sports hall tag for school gymnasiums, especially when they're using other tags like gym uniform and gym storeroom alongside it.
Honestly, we should have a discussion about gym uniform, because it suffers, if less obviously, from the same issue as gym, where it's being used for school PE uniforms and for fitness workout uniforms (which I think is supposed to be the domain of workout clothes, but that's an undefined tag). Search gym gym_uniform as it is right now and you'll see what I mean.
Honestly, we should have a discussion about gym uniform, because it suffers, if less obviously, from the same issue as gym, where it's being used for school PE uniforms and for fitness workout uniforms (which I think is supposed to be the domain of workout clothes, but that's an undefined tag). Search gym gym_uniform as it is right now and you'll see what I mean.
The seriousness of that issue is extremely minimal given the gym uniform tag is over 38k posts and the population of your example is a small population of images (and roughly half of those are correctly tagged gym uniform). If it was a rampant issue, I'd expect a lot more incorrect images under searches like dumbbell gym_uniform, gym_uniform weightlifting, or gym_uniform treadmill. If you consider this an issue requiring renaming the tag, I think you're being too strict on the amount of mistagging you don't consider acceptable. Zero mistagging is a pipedream.
We could certainly call them a PE_Uniform or something, but are you planning on deprecating gym uniform instead of aliasing gym uniform to the new name to force people to never mistakenly use the new tag?
We could certainly call them a PE_Uniform or something, but are you planning on deprecating gym uniform instead of aliasing gym uniform to the new name to force people to never mistakenly use the new tag?
Deprecating would make sense, though to accomodate for those who'd use 'gym' instead of 'PE' as their term of choice, we would have to do a school_gym_uniform utility alias at least, same with workout clothes getting a fitness_gym_uniform utility alias for those whose preferred term is 'gym' in that context.
I don't think it is 'significantly more recognizable'.
The tag name literally contains all the important components to understand the purpose of the tag, which imo is more than "sports hall" which doesn't inherently from my perspective imply it's school related from the name.
The tag name literally contains all the important components to understand the purpose of the tag, which imo is more than "sports hall" which doesn't inherently from my perspective imply it's school related from the name.
But as I stated, when this tag was initially pitched, it was pointed out that sports halls aren't exclusive to schools. Examples on Google when you search 'leisure gymnasium' exist like this, this, or that.
If I saw "school gym" I would assume it would be like the aforementioned health club but on school grounds, not the building with the big open space.
Normal gyms in schools are extremely rare (mostly because they're a liability). I highly doubt our average user is gonna see "school gym" and think of a professional gym inside a school.
Normal gyms in schools are extremely rare (mostly because they're a liability). I highly doubt our average user is gonna see "school gym" and think of a professional gym inside a school.
I wouldn't call myself an average user so story checks out.
Normal gyms in schools are extremely rare (mostly because they're a liability). I highly doubt our average user is gonna see "school gym" and think of a professional gym inside a school.
One of the voters on the counter-BUR has never actually been to a school gym before, because they didn't have any at their school, and given how often the average user can disappoint, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the average user did actually think of a professional gym.
But I'm not gonna dwell on it anymore since this is very obviously a language divide issue, so evazion can decide on that. The only thing I'll say is that GreyOmega should update his counter-BUR to include a school_gymnasium utility alias, both to parallel my BUR, and to account for users who specifically refer to the sports hall building at a school as the 'gymnasium' and not the gym.
The only thing I'll say is that GreyOmega should update his counter-BUR to include a school_gymnasium utility alias, both to parallel my BUR, and to account for users who specifically refer to the sports hall building at a school as the 'gymnasium' and not the gym.
It appears that, under everyone's noses, fitness center as a tag has emerged. Given the contentiousness of the broader topic, we do have to bring it up here.
This BUR will be the sports hall-equivalent option, going for a purely descriptive name that avoids the multitudinous usage of gym, while having utility aliases for those who prefer alternative.
