Sitting Tags

I was working on the wiki for sitting, and looking through related tags in use. I noticed these tags are pretty much a mess and could stand to have some cleanup, aliasing, implication done.

I have some suggestions below for debate/implementation. I've included some low-count / new tags where they appeared in the tag list or wiki and make sense as something someone might logically try. Some of these were mentioned/debated in forum #36355.

We have two conventions in place at the moment for these tags *_sitting and sitting_on_*, with tags with fairly large usage in each. We might want to consider standardizing these. The latter looks better to me, the former is much more common. I've included whichever was in use below.

Alias (→) and implication (>) suggestions for this domain:

• sit → sitting
• sitting_down → sitting
• sitting_on moved to sitting_on_person > sitting (sitting_on is too ambiguous a tag for the concept it is used for, it ought to be moved without alias)
• facesitting → face_sitting > sitting_on_person
• head_sitting > sitting_on_person
• lap_sitting > sitting_on_person
• sitting_backwards > sitting
• sitting_on_knees → seiza > sitting
• w-sitting → wariza > sitting
• crossed_legs > sitting (actually this could use additional work, as sitting with crossed legs on the floor and in a chair are visually distinct. Maybe agura → indian_style > sitting. Anyone know if we have any instances of standing with crossed_legs? That would be another potential issue, and another visually distinct pose.
• sitting_on_object > sitting
• sitting_on_rock > sitting_on_object
• pillow_sitting > sitting_on_object
• pantyshot_sitting > sitting
• tree_sitting > sitting

Shinjidude said:

• crossed_legs > sitting (actually this could use additional work, as sitting with crossed legs on the floor and in a chair are visually distinct. Maybe . Anyone know if we have any instances of standing with crossed_legs? That would be another potential issue, and another visually distinct pose.

"crossed_legs standing" has a few posts like post #166100, which is a pose we could use a tag for.

I'm in favor of the indian_sitting thing, because the crossed_legs tag is somewhat of an umbrella tag right now, as you said.

Not sure about the necessity of the sitting_on_object and sitting_on_person tags however. Looks overkill to me.

The wariza tag seems a bit special, given some cases where the character is slightly leaning forward, with her butt not touching the floor. Depending on the image it looks somewhere between sitting and kneeling, where both tags would somehow apply.
Guess it still counts as an implication but we should write in the wiki that kneeling can also be relevant.

If we treat wariza as kneeling, than seiza should certainly be as well. I'd suggest that we treat the two of those as special cases though under sitting rather than kneeling, and reserve kneeling for other postures where the knees are used for primary support.

As for how it's defined I'd say seiza requires the butt to be on the legs, wariza requires the butt to be on the floor or on the inner sides of the legs. If the butt isn't resting on something, it's probably not actually sitting.

The sitting_on_object and sitting_on_person tags are included only because they already exist. The latter has over 100 posts tagged with it.

I'm not asking for wariza to be treated as kneeling, because sitting is still true in all cases.

Shinjidude said:
If the butt isn't resting on something, it's probably not actually sitting.

post #487447 is more kneeling than sitting to me, but it's somewhat in between so I'd prefer having both tags on such cases.
We can consider here that the character is not sitting, but we can't deny that she's kneeling in a particular way. I prefer keeping the wariza tag here even if it's slightly incorrect than losing this information. Therefore, kneeling + wariza also sounds right to me (that or we find another tag to qualify that way of kneeling, and we already have wariza so why bothering).

Shinjidude said:
The sitting_on_object and sitting_on_person tags are included only because they already exist. The latter has over 100 posts tagged with it.

We have headsitting and lap_sitting yeah. I just don't get why you'd want a new umbrella tag (sitting_on_person) in addition to those. Not that I really mind but I don't think we're gaining anything useful.

EDIT: heh but's that not technically sitting then, since her butt isn't serving as support. :D

I'd probably tag that wariza leaning_forward myself, it doesn't look close enough to kneeling to trigger that for me. Her butt is just barely off the ground.

Sitting_on_person isn't meant to be a new tag, just a new name for sitting_on which is pre-existing, sufficiently used, and poorly named.

Shinjidude said:
Sitting_on_person isn't meant to be a new tag, just a new name for sitting_on which is pre-existing, sufficiently used, and poorly named.

Oh fine. I messed up with a sitting_on_* tag search (misread your post). Agree then.

Kill facesitting tag? Are you serious???

Not kill, alias to face_sitting for consistency with other *_sitting tags, and implicate to sitting_on_person. The tag would still exist and cover exactly the same material.

Oh, ok. Yeah, this is a great idea. Danbooru could acept scat and gore imagens, and unblock loli and furry. If someone don't like those, simple mark then in the blacklist. The biggest fail in this site is this advanced users crap block.

gardenaro said:
Oh, ok. Yeah, this is a great idea. Danbooru could acept scat and gore imagens, and unblock loli and furry. If someone don't like those, simple mark then in the blacklist. The biggest fail in this site is this advanced users crap block.

How about no?

Er... I'm not sure where that came from or why it's in this thread...

Almost deleted the pointless off topic "suggestion" but might as well leave it as evidence for the future.

As mentioned in another thread I am failbooruing 100% of the time on the Implications page, so I can't put those through at the moment.

Did the following:

sit → sitting
sitting_down → sitting
facesitting → face_sitting
sitting_on_knees → seiza
w-sitting → wariza

Can't do these at the moment but I guess they're all okay. Poke me if I go and forget to check back later when implications are accessible:

face_sitting > sitting_on_person
head_sitting > sitting_on_person
lap_sitting > sitting_on_person
sitting_backwards > sitting
seiza > sitting
wariza > sitting
pantyshot_sitting > sitting
tree_sitting > sitting

sitting_on moved to sitting_on_person > sitting (sitting_on is too ambiguous a tag for the concept it is used for, it ought to be moved without alias)
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sitting_on_object > sitting
sitting_on_rock > sitting_on_object
pillow_sitting > sitting_on_object

Do animals fall under person or object or would we need another tag? My preference is not to subdivide, if possible, as sitting_on_object just feels kinda... silly I guess. Can't it just be sitting, with sitting_on_person a special exception, rather than all sitting surfaces getting some form of tag? After all, I don't think we want to add sitting_on_object any time someone is sitting on a chair. But that's not really so different from sitting on a rock, or the ground, etc.

crossed_legs > sitting

Prefer not to do due to the example of post #166100.

If we went with sitting_on_object, I'd consider animals objects before people. We can do without that tag, I only included it for completeness based on our existing tags.

as for crossed_legs, I think we need to break it into three tags:

• "Sitting on the floor with crossed legs" → agura → indian_style > sitting

• "Sitting on a seat with crossed legs" → ??? > sitting

• "Standing with crossed legs" → ???

All three are visually taggable and distinct, and I think the sitting implication should hold for the first two. Any good unambiguous names for the second two? Crossed_legs is already predominately sitting, but is ambiguous enough to allow for standing to be included.

What about images of characters lying on a flat surface (bed, floor, or whatever) with their legs crossed? Would it be distinguishable enough to get its own tag?

Examples: post #547258, post #480247, post #384612

Yeah, I noticed those when just now as I sort out indian_style. I'd consider those the same type as #2 above, it's the same posture basically, except the fact that the butt is on the floor / bed / etc rather than a chair.

Oh, also indian_style works even when in a chair in the case that the feet are folded in on top of the seat.

Although indian_style is more common on the floor than on a chair, and vanilla crossed_legs more common in a chair than anywhere else, it's the pose that's important and not the location.

Ok, I've sorted everything in crossed_legs apart. We can rename these, or merge them again, but I wanted to see what we were working with, since I had been under the impression that crossed_legs was overwhelmingly sitting. Here's what I got:

• crossed_legs: 1333
• indian_style: 209
• crossed_legs_(lying): 52
• crossed_legs_(standing): 17
• Total: 1611

As far as percentages go then:

• Sitting: 95.7%
• Lying: 3.2%
• Standing: 1.1%

What that means as far as how we define or use these, or whether or not we implicate, I'll leave up to debate.

Okay! Took a few failboorus but I got the implications page to load, so

face_sitting > sitting_on_person
head_sitting > sitting_on_person
lap_sitting > sitting_on_person
sitting_backwards > sitting
seiza > sitting
wariza > sitting
pantyshot_sitting > sitting
tree_sitting > sitting

As for sitting_on_object stuff, I do think I'm going to go with a no on those after all.

As for your crossed leg disambiguation, looks fine to me.

If the disambiguation is fine, can we have indian_style and crossed_legs implicated to sitting as well? Everything in those tags now should apply.

Done.

pantyshot_sitting is quite stubbornly resisting completing the implication job task, but I'll keep restarting it.