Omega Planetes is a variant of Final Fantasy XIV's Omega which is specific to the collaboration between that game and Monster Hunter Wilds. The "Planetes" suffix is a designation original to the Monster Hunter version of Omega and has never been used in Final Fantasy XIV. Having it as its own tag would help distinguish which game the fanart is supposed to be of, but it should also implicate the "base" Omega for the sake of clarity.
Is there any actual physical distinction between it and regular Omega from FF14? What's stopping it from just being an alias?
While we don't know all the details just yet, Omega Planetes is referred to as "the Omega frame" in promotional material. "Omega Frame" in FF14 is a term only ever used for non-sentient copies of Omega, which are encountered as non-boss enemies in the Endwalker dungeon "The Stigma Dreamscape". It's speculation, but it would make sense if Omega Planetes was one of those, since it would be easier for the Monster Hunter devs to justify being able to hunt it repeatedly.
Also, I don't think it's fair to say there's a "regular Omega" when the "true" Omega already has multiple different bodies and forms; see the existing omega-f and omega-m tags, which refer to a pair of humanoids Omega turns into in order to try and understand the power of humans. It has another form beyond that in the Alphascape V4.0 raid, and a non-canon "Alpha Omega" form from a timeline where it absorbs Alpha. At the current point in the canon timeline, Omega's consciousness is inhabiting a toy-like miniature version of its first form.
The Omega (Final Fantasy) tag is kind of a mess. I don't think it should be used for that pair of wenches who look absolutely nothing like the robot spider.
If we don't know the details yet there's no point in having a distinct tag just because it shows up in MHW. We can wait until the collab is out before we decide to create a tag for it.
The Omega (Final Fantasy) tag is kind of a mess. I don't think it should be used for that pair of wenches who look absolutely nothing like the robot spider.
Those two 'wenches' have the exact same consciousness as the robot spider—at least the FF14 version of it. They are, by definition, the same character.
Those two 'wenches' have the exact same consciousness as the robot spider—at least the FF14 version of it. They are, by definition, the same character.
Omega is the computer consciousness, which happens to first appear in a robot frame shaped like a beetle. It's had many forms over the years aside from the beetle. There's many other variants like the Omega frame seen in a dungeon that Stryer324 mentioned (post #7688833), or even the big eye in some raids (background of post #7212317), or final/reconfigured Omega (post #6127380), or Alpha-Omega (post #9454991).
This is no different than implying a character's fan-created animal form to their main chartag. Anyone familiar with the games it's showed up in knows they're all the same character, splitting them apart only causes unnecessary complexity for the sake of being obtuse about how we use tags, while at the same time inconveniencing people who just want to search for any version of Omega.
Omega is the computer consciousness, which happens to first appear in a robot frame shaped like a beetle. It's had many forms over the years aside from the beetle. There's many other variants like the Omega frame seen in a dungeon that Stryer324 mentioned (post #7688833), or even the big eye in some raids (background of post #7212317), or final/reconfigured Omega (post #6127380), or Alpha-Omega (post #9454991).
This is no different than implying a character's fan-created animal form to their main chartag. Anyone familiar with the games it's showed up in knows they're all the same character, splitting them apart only causes unnecessary complexity for the sake of being obtuse about how we use tags, while at the same time inconveniencing people who just want to search for any version of Omega.
Do we really want to use consciousness to make character implications now? I'm sure there must be at least one Fate character that serves as a counterpoint. And all of this has nothing to do with the original Omega from FFV, it's a XIV thing.
Implying distinct sub-forms to main forms harms searchability of the main form. If people are looking for a secondary form they will soon think to look at a wiki or at the few clone/multiple persona/multiple views posts to find the accurate tag for what they're searching for.
These tags for recurring FF monsters and summons only make sense because there is a level of continuity across depictions. But I wouldn't say Dirge of Cerberus's Omega should be included in omega (final fantasy), and I don't see much point in filling it with FF14's sexy humans either.
Omega-F is a personification of Omega (Final Fantasy). If you want to find specifically the original form then create a tag for it, don't just try to ruin everyone else's usage of the site just because you don't understand how our tags work.
There's at least 3 different forms of Omega unique to ff14, and the beetle also appears in ff14, so that wouldn't work. Also, every single FF tag at the moment works like this. Just look at barbariccia final_fantasy_iv vs barbariccia final_fantasy_xiv. FF games continuously reuse summons and give them new designs. Titan (Final Fantasy) from ff16 looks nothing like the others, but it's still indisputably Titan.
Omega-F is a personification of Omega (Final Fantasy). If you want to find specifically the original form then create a tag for it, don't just try to ruin everyone else's usage of the site just because you don't understand how our tags work.
Those examples are all fanmade designs, not official. The summons are all identifiable from one game to the other despite their different designs. There was talk once of disimplying Koyanskaya from Tamamo because they didn't have the same consciousness despite looking the same, and this feels like it goes in the opposite direction.
There's at least 3 different forms of Omega unique to ff14, and the beetle also appears in ff14, so that wouldn't work.
Why wouldn't that work? I'm saying any FFXIV depiction of Omega get the omega (ff14) tag, and only forms of Omega recognisable as the beetle additionally get omega (final fantasy). omega (final fantasy) is treated like a superhero form, and omega (ff14) is the character that sometimes assumes that form.
The FF-series spanning character tags can get kind of annoying (search summon+game and half the results will be false positives), but none of them are that big, multiple FF games can have very similar designs, and it gives a home for non-specific fan designs. Omega especially is the same mech in every appearance, but now its tag is 50% white-skinned girl from the one FF I haven't played. FFXIV's robot is the same as FF's recurring robot, but the two humanoids only matter to FF14. (at least the Garlands and Cids are separate, but spare a thought for FFXI's Gilgamesh)
Omega (Final Fantasy) (robot) and Omega-f are completely incomparable designs. People will want to see the robot or the sexy lady. Pooling them together on an image board doesn't make sense. If people really are indifferent to the Omega they get, they can just search both tags.
The fact that two completely different character designs share the same consciousness should only matter to users looking for dual persona type images like post #6012244, which you can't find by searching omega_(final_fantasy) omega-fwhen there's an implication!
Frankly I thought this was the kind of shit Danbooru tried to avoid. "People looking for images of x don't want their search filled with something completely different". Chaos (ff1) doesn't imply Garland (ff1). Madeen doesn't imply Mog. Diz and Ansem the Wise are apart. I've heard the excuse of spoilers brought up to avoid implications before, but if two things really aren't alike design-wise then why ever trash one tag with the other? topic #31634 failed even though Monomi is just a vandalised Usami -- thanks! they're two distinct designs and have been saved from becoming unsearchable together!
nonamethanks said:
If you want to find specifically the original form then create a tag for it
Making omega (robot) (final fantasy)is a solution... but this doesn't seem to be a thing Danbooru ever does (e.g. no tags for default costumes). And it seems even sillier to split the Omega design because one game gave it a form with boobs that artists and Danbooru latched onto.
I'm sure no one wants bowsette to imply bowser. And I went to see if anyone suggested that implication before and found the Ranma-chan thread (topic #21636) and can't believe it's you who I'm arguing with here.
Omega (Final Fantasy) (robot) and Omega-f are completely incomparable designs. People will want to see the robot or the sexy lady.
YOU want to do that. You are not the entirety of our user base. There's like 6 different omega forms, "just search for all of them at once by using these 6 different tags" is fucking stupid.
They are all omega from final fantasy, can you not see how retarded it is to have a tag called Omega (Final Fantasy) that is only for ff4? If someone has not played ff4 they're not going to assume the tag using the general series name is for a specific form and not for the character as a whole, because that would be unintuitive and moronic on our part.
Ranma tags are separate to avoid tag pollution, because they have thousands of results and there's only two of them, because they act as two different characters most of the time, and because they are treated as two different characters by the rest of the cast. If you search for both you'll see there's a lot of posts where they interact, which would also be impossible to search if one implied the other.
Omega on the other hand has 130 posts across 8 and more forms (beetle, bare frame, toy version, male, female, alpha omega, reconfigured omega, big eye), and they're all depicted as a single entity jumping across different bodies for one reason or another.
I don't know why it's so hard to understand that tags are made FOR SEARCHING, not for autistic compulsive categorization of objects into narrow categories. What benefit is brought to the site when you split the same character into a dozen different small tags and make it impossible for a normal user to search for it at once? It's like some of you are actively working to make this site worse for everyone else.
Is there any actual physical distinction between it and regular Omega from FF14? What's stopping it from just being an alias?
I don't know whether I should start a new request for this or not, but now that we have more news on the Title Update, here's a quote straight from the Monster Hunter website:
"An Omega frame that has crossed the inter-dimensional rift and descended on the Forbidden Lands—named Omega Planetes to distinguish it from other Omega frames."
Pretty cut-and-dry, the developers themselves want Omega Planetes to be treated as a distinct individual, and not simply an alternate form/alias. The trailer also shows Omega in its mini-robot form and Omega Planetes in the same cutscene, and context indicates they do not share a mind, with the Hunter stepping forward to fight Planetes while the original Omega stays back.
"An Omega frame that has crossed the inter-dimensional rift and descended on the Forbidden Lands—named Omega Planetes to distinguish it from other Omega frames."
This only matters to us if there's visual differences.
This was released now, and the omega from MHW appears to be identical to the omega beetle from FFXIV. It's even got the exact same rocket punch mobs. No point in making an extra tag, it's not like we have different tags for Arkveld or Rathalos just because they appear in FFXIV.
