Standardize copyright-related general tags

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Copyright related general tags has been around for a long time, but there isn't any standard on how they should be done. There were a few times where I had to give up fixing a tag, because if I want to change it something needs to be done to similar tags from other copyrights too, which complicate things, tuning a single-copyright thread into a cross-copyright discussion usually leads nowhere. From now on we can use this thread to submit BURs.

First of all, each copyright should have a list of all its general tags, if there is any, some of the bigger copyrights are already doing this. Otherwise it's near impossible to even know they exist. Sometimes I find tags that were created years ago that I had no idea existed, and it's not a surprised that they're often undertagged. It's also impossible to group them together, because:

Qualifier is extremely inconsistent. Whether a tag gets qualified or not doesn't have any logical pattern, and has nothing to do with whether the name is ambiguous or not. There should be some consistency, either they're all qualified or they're all unqualified. I prefer there to be a way to separate real life tags and fictional tags. I tried to qualify them before I realized there're too many unqualified tags. If this doesn't work, at least real life and fictional tags should use separate tag lists.

The weapon tags are 50/50. There're many non-standard qualifiers, like railgun (misaka mikoto) (qualified by character), black barrel (type-moon) (qualified by company, because it's present in multiple copyright), *_(e.g.o) (qualified by another qualified tag), karasawa (weapon) (qualified by weapon).

The school uniforms can't be qualified because they have to end in "school uniform". This has prompted the uniform tags to be unqualified as well. A few exceptions like gem uniform (houseki no kuni) are somehow qualified although the name is especially more ambiguous. As a side note, the list of uniforms also need work. I would prefer it to be sorted by type, not by copyright. Half of the dtext links are broken too, because they have underscores.

The "tag this if three of X are present" group tags also have this issue. It also feels like that many copyrights are solely working on legacy, many only have a few old organizations from the release, but never created new tags for new organizations.

There're many other copyright-related general tags like locations, logos, items, currencies, etc. I'm not going to name them all because I don't know how many there're either. It's difficult to find them. We should start with the easy ones.

BUR #46271 has been approved by @evazion.

create alias kingdom_of_kazimierz_logo -> kazimierz_logo
remove alias kingdom_of_kazimierz_logo -> kazimierz_logo
rename ursus_empire_logo -> ursus_logo
rename kingdom_of_victoria_logo -> victoria_logo
rename great_lungmen_logo -> lungmen_logo

After all that's been said, I'm not expecting to solve them in a day. I'll start with something light.

Every place where Arknights countries appear is very strangely structured, the vast majority of them don't use their full names, yet a few of them, namely Victoria and Ursus, use their full name. If this is because they're supposedly more ambiguous, I can argue that names like Siracusa or Laterano aren't any less (searching them on Google gives the real life location instead of the game). All countries consistently use their shorten name in official materials. If they are ambiguous, they should be qualified, not use a different name. For reasons mentioned above I'm not going to request for qualifier before we settle on a consensus, so they will be renamed for now. As a side note, columbia logo (arknights) is already qualified.

The great lungmen logo is a bizarre fabrication. Yan is a country that is occasionally referred as Great Yan (wiki says it's the formal name, but I can't confirm that), while Lungmen is a city that has never been referred as Great Lungmen. The Lungmen logo is just the Yan logo with "barcode". There are many instances where it's impossible to tell which logo it is.

Updated by magcolo

Copyright-specific gentags operate the same way chartags do from what I've gathered—if it's ambiguous it gets qualified. Spelldrive Club doesn't need a qualifier because spelldrive is unambiguous, Excalibur tags need qualifiers because goddamn. This isn't necessarily always consistent but I do agree that many copyright pages should list their related gentags, I've been trying to do so with my recent (mostly finished) Twisted Wonderland tag project. With something like Fate that's a harder task, but I do try to list related armaments on each character's page.

Ylimegirl said:

Copyright-specific gentags operate the same way chartags do from what I've gathered—if it's ambiguous it gets qualified.

Which is not true, whether a tag has a qualifier or not is completely spontaneous. I don't see what makes angel's 24 uniform (blue archive), gem uniform (houseki no kuni) or pegasus knight uniform (fire emblem) ambiguous, while chaldea uniform isn't. On the other hand, the general consensus also says that if half of the tags need qualifiers because they're ambiguous while the other half doesn't, they should all get qualifiers for consistency. Many of the copyrights have half qualified tags and half unqualified tags.

Updated by magcolo

Ideally, the more ambiguous ones are qualified while the more unambiguous ones are not. While the berries in Pokémon have individual names, as a group they're just called "Berries", hence the need for a qualifier (berry_(pokemon)). This makes sense because of how unintuitively ambiguous it would be without one. Meanwhile, for obvious reasons it would be stupidly pedantic to have a poke_ball_(pokemon) tag, hence why poke_ball remains unqualified.

By their very nature, there is no universal standard, meaning these tags should simply be dealt with on a case-by-case basis. If you see some you think should be qualified, then make a BUR about them. If you see some you think should not be qualified, then make a BUR about them.

Wikis for copyright tags should list all tags unique to that copyright. This includes memes, items, locations, logos, etc. Likewise, character wikis should list all gentags unique to that character (memes, items, weapons, armor, etc). I add these when I come across them, but it's often difficult when you're not familiar with a copyright.

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