Utility of certain FGO Swimsuit umbrella tags?

BUR #42402 has been rejected.

create implication nitocris_(swimsuit_assassin)_(first_ascension)_(fate) -> nitocris_(swimsuit_assassin)_(fate)

Alternatively.

BUR #43685 is pending approval.

While we're on the subject of four layers of implications (forum #368078), finally circling back around to this one.

BUR #43774 is pending approval.

Archer Jeanne flattening. post #3717654 is the only one without a specific ascension tag because it's banned.

BUR #43890 is pending approval.

Swimsuit BB. There's an argument to be made in keeping this because of the shared tan/lighter hair her final two ascensions get, buuuut I feel like that's better covered by a bb_(fate) tan search than this tag, since the tags can apply to either her tanned or default skintone version. 7 banned posts under bb_(swimsuit_mooncancer)_(fate) -bb_(swimsuit_mooncancer)_(*_ascension)_(fate).

BUR #43945 is pending approval.

Zerker Castoria, another case of quadruple implication. i would instead argue for a different four-level implication for putting the artoria avalon costumes under castoria third ascension but that's a different discussion

BUR #44059 is pending approval.

remove implication space_ereshkigal_(first_ascension)_(fate) -> space_ereshkigal_(fate)
create implication space_ereshkigal_(first_ascension)_(fate) -> ereshkigal_(fate)
remove implication space_ereshkigal_(second_ascension)_(fate) -> space_ereshkigal_(fate)
create implication space_ereshkigal_(second_ascension)_(fate) -> ereshkigal_(fate)
remove implication space_ereshkigal_(third_ascension)_(fate) -> space_ereshkigal_(fate)
create implication space_ereshkigal_(third_ascension)_(fate) -> ereshkigal_(fate)
mass update space_ereshkigal_(*_ascension)_(fate) -> -space_ereshkigal_(fate)

Okay, this one might be a bit more... tricky? But unlike Space Ishtar (wherein her first two ascensions explicitly share the same appearance), all of Space Ereshkigal's ascensions have completely different appearances and in-game names as well. She's technically a swimsuit servant, so I'm gonna toss this in here. Not deprecating the Space Ereshkigal tag right away because of the next BUR I'm going to submit.

BUR #44060 is pending approval.

create alias space_ereshkigal_(first_ascension)_(fate) -> ereshkigal_(swimsuit_beast)_(fate)
create alias space_ereshkigal_(second_ascension)_(fate) -> anki-ereshkigal_(fate)
create alias space_ereshkigal_(third_ascension)_(fate) -> space_ereshkigal_(fate)

Aforementioned second BUR, moving the ascension tags to her display names in-game.

Before I say anything about the Castoria implicatios, if you put in artoria_caster_(swimsuit_berserker)_(*)_(fate), you'd be able to see all of her art ascensions? If so then I wish I learned about that sooner.

Crossland said:

Before I say anything about the Castoria implicatios, if you put in artoria_caster_(swimsuit_berserker)_(*)_(fate), you'd be able to see all of her art ascensions? If so then I wish I learned about that sooner.

Yes, that's how all wildcards work on danbooru. For example, you can see both ritsukas simultaneously with fujimaru_ritsuka*.

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BUR #44534 has been approved by @evazion.

create implication oda_nobunaga_(swimsuit_berserker)_(first_ascension)_(fate) -> oda_nobunaga_(swimsuit_berserker)_(fate)
create implication oda_nobunaga_(swimsuit_berserker)_(second_ascension)_(fate) -> oda_nobunaga_(swimsuit_berserker)_(fate)
create implication oda_nobunaga_(swimsuit_berserker)_(third_ascension)_(fate) -> oda_nobunaga_(swimsuit_berserker)_(fate)

I'm fine with this one. She has the common link of the headphones around neck, which is often used to reference her without being linked to a specific ascension (see oda_nobunaga_(swimsuit_berserker)_(fate) -oda_nobunaga_(swimsuit_berserker)_(*)_(fate) for the posts that aren't specific enough to tag, though admittedly some of those could just be tagged with her weird guitar instead of the chartag but I don't know if we have a name for tagging the instrument better than her full noble phantasm name)

This bulk update request has been rejected because it was not approved within 45 days.

The bulk update request #42401 (forum #360921) has been rejected by @DanbooruBot.

This bulk update request has been rejected because it was not approved within 45 days.

The bulk update request #42402 (forum #360922) has been rejected by @DanbooruBot.

BUR #44775 is pending approval.

remove implication carmilla_(swimsuit_rider)_(first_ascension)_(fate) -> carmilla_(swimsuit_rider)_(fate)
create implication carmilla_(swimsuit_rider)_(first_ascension)_(fate) -> carmilla_(fate)
remove implication carmilla_(swimsuit_rider)_(second_ascension)_(fate) -> carmilla_(swimsuit_rider)_(fate)
create implication carmilla_(swimsuit_rider)_(second_ascension)_(fate) -> carmilla_(fate)
remove implication carmilla_(swimsuit_rider)_(third_ascension)_(fate) -> carmilla_(swimsuit_rider)_(fate)
create implication carmilla_(swimsuit_rider)_(third_ascension)_(fate) -> carmilla_(fate)
deprecate carmilla_(swimsuit_rider)_(fate)
mass update carmilla_(swimsuit_rider)_(*)_(fate) -> -carmilla_(swimsuit_rider)_(fate)

Changed my mind on this one. As of when I'm submitting this, carmilla_(swimsuit_rider)_(fate) -carmilla_(swimsuit_rider)_(*)_(fate) has no results.

For those curious mostly myself on my thoughts on other umbrella tags I skipped over as of current moment:

• Tamamo no Mae (Swimsuit Lancer) is fine and also has a lot of mix-and-match depictions that makes it hard to select specific ascensions in many cases
• Artoria Pendragon (Swimsuit Archer) should be split but ngl i dont wanna deal with saber until i absolutely have to
• Mordred (Swimsuit Rider) is fine, same bikini always.
• Martha (Swimsuit Ruler) is fine, technically her choker is a different color in each ascension but that doesn't account for monochrome works or artistic error. Straight up not worth it
• Nero Claudius (Swimsuit Caster) is fine, same bikini in first & third
• Frankenstein's Monster (Swimsuit Saber) is fine because of the aforementioned hairclip and hexabolts serving as a link
• Oda Nobunaga (Swimsuit Berserker) is fine, she has a common throughline of those headphones around neck
• Minamoto no Raikou (Swimsuit Lancer) is fine, she has the same bikini in her first and third ascensions along with other accessories consistent in her second ascension
• Miyamoto Musashi (Swimsuit Berserker) is fine, common hairstyle.
• Mysterious Heroine XX is fine, common throughline of being aged up MHX
• Osakabehime (Swimsuit Archer) is fine, she's got the same headgear in her first two ascensions.
• Artoria Pendragon (Swimsuit Ruler) should be split up and implicated to Artoria Pendragon (Lancer) eventually probably.
• Meltryllis (Swimsuit Lancer) is fine, she's got the same prostheses in both of her first two ascensions.
• Okita J. Souji's bikinis in her first two ascensions are almost identical, so I'm not sure on this one? I'll get back to you on that once I go through the tag, expect an ETA to this post and/or a new BUR submitted in response. eta: yeah it can probably be split but needs to be reforked with how goofy the umbrella tag situation is right now
• Okita Souji Alter (Swimsuit Saber) is fine, she's a little shronken because of Rengoku's presence in her first two ascensions.
• Caenis (Swimsuit Rider) has the same eyewear on head in her first two ascensions and bikini in all three.
• Ibuki Douji (Swimsuit Berserker) has the horns connection.
• Wu Zetian (Swimsuit Caster) is visibly aged up.
• Suzuka Gozen (Swimsuit Rider) not only has her tan which in hindsight was a weak argument but also the pink tips in her hair, which is why Suzuka Gozen (FGO Fes. 2025) is clearly identifiable as that version.
• Mysterious Heroine XX Alter is fine for the same reason MHXX was.

The bulk update request #44534 (forum #372588) has been approved by @evazion.

BUR #45913 is pending approval.

create implication miyu_edelfelt_(swimsuit_lancer)_(first_ascension) -> miyu_edelfelt
create implication miyu_edelfelt_(swimsuit_lancer)_(second_ascension) -> miyu_edelfelt
create implication miyu_edelfelt_(swimsuit_lancer)_(third_ascension) -> miyu_edelfelt
deprecate miyu_edelfelt_(swimsuit_lancer)
mass update miyu_edelfelt_(swimsuit_lancer)_(*_ascension) -> -miyu_edelfelt_(swimsuit_lancer)

Miyuyuyuyuyu.

Ylimegirl said:

BUR #45913 is pending approval.

create implication miyu_edelfelt_(swimsuit_lancer)_(first_ascension) -> miyu_edelfelt
create implication miyu_edelfelt_(swimsuit_lancer)_(second_ascension) -> miyu_edelfelt
create implication miyu_edelfelt_(swimsuit_lancer)_(third_ascension) -> miyu_edelfelt
deprecate miyu_edelfelt_(swimsuit_lancer)
mass update miyu_edelfelt_(swimsuit_lancer)_(*_ascension) -> -miyu_edelfelt_(swimsuit_lancer)

Miyuyuyuyuyu.

Shouldn't her 2nd ascension be considered her default outfit? It's the one she wears in her FA.

elchocoloco said:

Shouldn't her 2nd ascension be considered her default outfit? It's the one she wears in her FA.

None of her outfits look a thing like each other, hence why I'm implicating them all to the base tag. Having three tags named Swimsuit Lancer, Swimsuit Lancer (First Ascension), and Swimsuit Lancer (Third Ascension) is just asking for trouble.

Anyways while I'm here the tags for Ryougi Shiki (Swimsuit MoonCancer) (Second Ascension) and Ryougi Shiki (Swimsuit MoonCancer) (Third Ascension) are currently empty, not helped by the fact that I'm not uploading the borderless saint graphs until I get off of work later today. So that BUR can wait.