Aliasing Greek clothes to its antiquity

BUR #18503 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

create alias greek_clothes -> ancient_greek_clothes
remove alias greek_clothes -> ancient_greek_clothes

This should be a fairly simple change. For all intents and purposes, the Greek clothes tag functions as an Ancient Greek clothes tag, to such an extent that a wiki was made in 2021 confirming as much. But anyone familiar with Greek clothes would know that that is not what the Greek wear today. Their attire today is closer to what's shown in this blog post or in this costume you can buy, and yet, as traditional Greek clothes shows, that represents only a little of the tag.

Therefore, I think it only makes sense to make the tag's name actually reflect its intent. While the target tag does exist right now, a BUR would ensure that continuity is kept.

The bulk update request #18503 (forum #248435) has been approved by @nonamethanks.

Now that this BUR has passed, I wanted to bring something up that had me intrigued back when I had made it. At the time, I had found that none of the individual garments listed in the wiki, nor the example costume given, linked back to the tag. While in the latter case that's because there is no wiki, for the former, nearly all the era-specific garments' wikis referred to them as Greco-Roman.

That made me wonder - would a greco-roman clothes tag make sense for both ancient Greek clothes and Roman clothes (as in, implying such a tag, not being aliased to it)? They do have overlap because of Roman adoption of Greek culture, and without any context in the image/commentary/tags, can be hard to distinguish.

I found myself asking the same thing after you added it to some posts of mine.

BUR #19093 has been approved by @evazion.

create implication ancient_greek_clothes -> greco-roman_clothes
create implication roman_clothes -> greco-roman_clothes

I'll just toss it out there then. It might not be entirely necessary, but the ambiguity between the two means it is at least worth seeing if anyone on site would find this useful. Greco-Roman as a term has been in use on site since 2010 for Greco-Roman architecture, so there's tag precedent as well.

BUR #19214 has been rejected.

create alias egyptian -> ancient_egyptian_culture
remove alias egyptian -> ancient_egyptian_culture
create alias egyptian_clothes -> ancient_egyptian_clothes
remove alias egyptian_clothes -> ancient_egyptian_clothes

Well, since we're at it, I would like to rename the tag related to ancient Egypt as well.

Currently, the tag Egyptian and Egyptian clothes were exclusively used for ancient Egyptian themes, not the modern Egyptian culture (that were more Arab-oriented). So I think it would be misleading to tag the ancient Egyptian stuff simply as "Egyptian" since a lot has changed in 2,000 years and that the modern Egyptian culture are visually distinct over the ancient depictions.

Therefore, I would like to rename these tags to reflects its intended usage, with the tag "Egyptian" instead renamed to "ancient Egyptian culture" to specify that the tag covers the overall theme of ancient Egyptian cultural elements, while the tag "Egyptian clothes" were instead renamed to "ancient Egyptian clothes" for the same reason.

TrueKringe said:

Currently, the tag Egyptian and Egyptian clothes were exclusively used for ancient Egyptian themes, not the modern Egyptian culture (that were more Arab-oriented). So I think it would be misleading to tag the ancient Egyptian stuff simply as "Egyptian" since a lot has changed in 2,000 years and that the modern Egyptian culture are visually distinct over the ancient depictions.

Solid idea! I do wonder whether the *_culture bit is needed though, no other tag has that, it could simply just be ancient egyptian. If this passes though, do make sure to tag-garden it so that stuff that isn't Ancient Egyptian isn't stuck in the new tags.

Damian0358 said:

Solid idea! I do wonder whether the *_culture bit is needed though, no other tag has that, it could simply just be ancient egyptian. If this passes though, do make sure to tag-garden it so that stuff that isn't Ancient Egyptian isn't stuck in the new tags.

Well, I think having to speficy "culture" is neccessary since the current usage of the tag "Egyptian" is literally for anything ancient Egyptian-related, ranging from architechture, food, language, etc.

BUR #19431 has been rejected.

create alias egyptian -> ancient_egyptian
remove alias egyptian -> ancient_egyptian
create alias egyptian_clothes -> ancient_egyptian_clothes
remove alias egyptian_clothes -> ancient_egyptian_clothes
create alias egyptian_art -> ancient_egyptian_art
remove alias egyptian_art -> ancient_egyptian_art
create alias ancient_egyptian_mythology -> egyptian_mythology

I genuinely do not think that adding 'culture' to the end adds anything, so I'm just going to propose a counter-BUR without it (which also includes other Ancient Egyptian tags, sans Ancient Egyptian architecture). I won't add Faux Egyptian though, because when people in English refer to the 'Egyptian language' it is always unambiguously Ancient Egyptian/Kemetic, and I don't think anyone wants to get so specific to start referring to Kemet.

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The bulk update request #19093 (forum #250699) has been rejected by @DanbooruBot.

The bulk update request #19093 (forum #250699) has been approved by @evazion.

With Greco-Roman clothes now a tag, it would definitely be worthwhile for someone to garden Ancient Greek clothes and Roman clothes, since anything that isn't one or the other can go in there now.

TrueKringe said:

BUR #19214 has been rejected.

create alias egyptian -> ancient_egyptian_culture
remove alias egyptian -> ancient_egyptian_culture
create alias egyptian_clothes -> ancient_egyptian_clothes
remove alias egyptian_clothes -> ancient_egyptian_clothes

I don't think there's any confusion that Egyptian is about ancient Egypt not modern Egypt. I don't think we even have any Egyptian posts that aren't about ancient Egypt. Just like nobody mistakes Roman clothes as being about modern-day Rome.

evazion said:

I don't think there's any confusion that Egyptian is about ancient Egypt not modern Egypt. I don't think we even have any Egyptian posts that aren't about ancient Egypt. Just like nobody mistakes Roman clothes as being about modern-day Rome.

If you check the tag history for Egypt, there was a lot of bleed-over from Egyptian (some cases not even having that tag to begin with), giving off the impression that people seem to assume all Egypt tags to be about Ancient Egypt. So the change is more for Egypt's sake, since the change would more clearly delineate "hey, ancient egypt is over here, bozo". Egypt isn't defined purely by its Ancient past, after all.

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The bulk update request #19214 (forum #251203) has been rejected by @DanbooruBot.

This bulk update request has been rejected because it was not approved within 45 days.

The bulk update request #19431 (forum #252025) has been rejected by @DanbooruBot.