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Why are they not approved?
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post #4383926
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Why are they not approved?
Dramorian said:
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I'd say the anatomy is less than stellar, specially in the last 2 ones
Guaro said:
Tbh, I gave alot of feedback before I got approver and no one ever said something against it. You and Veradux are kinda the first and I don't really get why. How Indy handles it is kinda the way this thread worked for a long time; giving a reason why it MAYBE got disapproved.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's just a "nobody said anything" situation. Y'all are saying that nobody really comes in here. Seems like a self-fulfilling loop.
We never know what's inside the head of approvers, if they once approve complete garbage and then skip an acceptable image. This thread is supposed to be used as something, where we tell people what they maybe missed and why an image can be seen as bad for others.
It's not that we tell people "Hey, I can only see minor flaws, maybe it got missed by that one approver that would approve it." ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Honestly? It's fine to say "It probably just got overlooked. Wait a month for the queue to reset and appeal it.". 99% of all images, regardless of Status, have errors in them. There are tons of things I skip on uploading for one reason or another only to see an Unrestricted upload it a few days later. Or for a member to upload it and it gets approved in a matter of minutes. There are tons of things I see that look great but don't get approved. I've seen parent-child posts like revisions where an Unrestricted user uploads one and nobody bats an eye but the one uploaded by a member gets deleted. We have that come up in this thread pretty often.
We need to be able to admit that there's a huge grey area where the queue is more discerning than the Unrestricted uploaders. There's a ton of stuff I'd like to upload, but know it wouldn't get through the queue but also would never get flagged. Because, again, nearly every image will have an error or three. Curved shins, unshaded hands and feet, missing anatomy details (like a butthole), legs thinner than their wrists, loooooong fingers, twisted spines. Those are all things I see on the front page alone, all status:active. I wouldn't flag them because I think most of them would be reapproved in a matter of minutes, if not seconds.
It might be helpful to get a second pair of eyes on something, but if that pair of eyes is actively seeking to find something wrong with the post, they're going to find something wrong with it. Being pedantic and nitpicky is worse than giving no comments at all and a lot worse than being able to admit you can't spot any glaring issues. I especially hate the "it's the artstyle" comments.
Frosty_Berry said:
>sketched works (colored or not) have a harder time getting approved
So by that logic, every work tagged as sketch should be deleted?
Nowhere in that single sentence you quoted was it implied that sketches are so unworthy of approval they should be deleted. It just means that sketches won't appeal to some approvers, and thus will likely slip out of the queue.
CNyte said:
Nowhere in that single sentence you quoted was it implied that sketches are so unworthy of approval they should be deleted. It just means that sketches won't appeal to some approvers, and thus will likely slip out of the queue.
If its so unappealing... Then why there are 90k worth of works tagged as "sketch", then huh?
Frosty_Berry said:
>sketched works (colored or not) have a harder time getting approved
So by that logic, every work tagged as sketch should be deleted?
Basically, if it's a sketch, it has to meet enough peoples' standards for quality as a sketch. It's possible that more people would have liked post #4377992 if it had more detail and effort into it, but with the same composition.
By comparison, most sketch art uploaded in recent history is more appealing than what you uploaded. The post is close to meeting peoples' standards, but isn't quite good enough. It might take some time to recognize what makes all the other sketch art better.
While the proportions are realistic and the quality is OK, I personally downvoted the post because it is not one of (a) cool, (b) cute, (c) sexy, (d) interesting, or (e) impressive. That's just how it is; the art doesn't have any appeal or merits whatsoever. Arcueid's character design also kinda sucks, so she's really hard to draw well (i.e., in a way that makes her appealing that means one of the aforementioned criteria a, b, or c). Probably would have been approved if everything about the post was the same but if the artist drew a Fate character instead.
It has a positive score and plenty of favourites, though. Consider appealing the post; you don't even have to provide a reason.
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e? said:
Consider appealing the post; you don't even have to provide a reason.
Keep in mind that appealing this close to its original deletion is far less likely to work as it needs to be one month (four weeks) after deletion to appear in the queue again for people who skipped or ignored it.
Veradux said:
I wouldn't be surprised if it's just a "nobody said anything" situation. Y'all are saying that nobody really comes in here. Seems like a self-fulfilling loop.
There is no rule in giving feedback and no rule in how to give feedback, other than first: don't be thin skinned and second, give constructive feedback. Constructive is subjective, because I rather see also minor problems being noticed.
Veradux said:
Honestly? It's fine to say "It probably just got overlooked. Wait a month for the queue to reset and appeal it.".
Which would make that thread useless. If any user is only allowed to give an opinion on bs, than we don't need a thread. You're asking for feedback, and you should receive it.
Yes, you can find a problem anywhere, but how would you determine, that approvers didn't skip the image because of that? NNT mentioned that the neck isn't a problem. But it's for me. The difference in taste is, what makes the queue a problem for a lot of people and this is why we are never able to tell what's with an image and why it didn't get approved. Just because you don't like the feedback that was given to you, doesn't mean it was bad. It's even worse that you rather criticized the Feedback giver in a way which is discouraged. "If this is bad, then we have a lot to flag" isn't a proper response, just as "there is better stuff approved."
You are surely allowed to disagree with anyone on here, but don't discourage others from giving feedback, just because you don't agree with the opinion given. Otherwise we would get back to the times where people complained more about not receiving feedback.
If someone clearly gives bs feedback, it's another case.
In the sense of this thread, I don't want to derail it any further and go back giving feedback.
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e? said:
Basically, if it's a sketch, it has to meet enough peoples' standards for quality as a sketch. It's possible that more people would have liked post #4377992 if it had more detail and effort into it, but with the same composition.
By comparison, most sketch art uploaded in recent history is more appealing than what you uploaded. The post is close to meeting peoples' standards, but isn't quite good enough. It might take some time to recognize what makes all the other sketch art better.
While the proportions are realistic and the quality is OK, I personally downvoted the post because it is not one of (a) cool, (b) cute, (c) sexy, (d) interesting, or (e) impressive. That's just how it is; the art doesn't have any appeal or merits whatsoever. Arcueid's character design also kinda sucks, so she's really hard to draw well (i.e., in a way that makes her appealing that means one of the aforementioned criteria a, b, or c). Probably would have been approved if everything about the post was the same but if the artist drew a Fate character instead.
It has a positive score and plenty of favourites, though. Consider appealing the post; you don't even have to provide a reason.
I just did, and it was rejected...
Guaro said:
The difference in taste is, what makes the queue a problem for a lot of people and this is why we are never able to tell what's with an image and why it didn't get approved.
And this is the crux of why I, as a non-approver, don't like to give feedback. My best guess is still just a guess. I can say "I would have skipped it because..." or "I would approve it if I could", but ultimately I don't know in most cases. What I do know is that there're approvers who won't approve things for any number of reasons, from not liking the franchise, to never approving NSFW images, to only approving on weekends.
So, no, I don't think picking apart every image is good feedback. If I followed even half the "advice" I've been given (not just from Indy, mind you), I'd be uploading Pixiv's "daily top 10 for male viewers" almost exclusively. And still be getting told in here that there's something wrong with someone's shading or that the clavicle is too visible or something.
Sometimes we need to say "Yeah, that neck is a bit wide, but give a few weeks and appeal it."
Frosty_Berry said:
I just did, and it was rejected...
I don't get how people keep overseeing it, but if you appeal right after it's deletion, it won't be shown to all approvers who have already reacted on it.
There is even a note, if you open the appeal window.
Note: disapprovals are purged after one month, so if you are appealing a post uploaded less than one month ago the appeal will not be shown again to approvers who have already disapproved it.
On another note, you should stay civil in this thread. Asking why other images are approved or active, or if those should be deleted, won't get your image approved. It simply won't help your case most of the time.
Why it's not approved?
It looked fine to me.
Mysticus said:
Why it's not approved?
It looked fine to me.
Well, for one, it's a dupe of post #4380959
People should look carefully at the quality image from pixiv before uploading one from twitter.
It's been happening a lot nowadays.
Anyway, is there some way to remove a pool from a deleted post?
Like this one?
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Mysticus said:
People should look carefully at the quality image from pixiv before uploading one from twitter.
It's been happening a lot nowadays.
tons of artists post their content on twitter before pixiv. the parent image (post #4380959) was posted by ks (xephyrks) on twitter about six hours earlier than its pixiv timestamp. I'm willing to bet the original user uploaded the twitter image sometime in this window.
even so, you should always check for duplicates before you upload. the "similar" button in the bookmarklet makes it super easy, but you can use this (or saucenao) if you want to be extra safe.
Anyway, is there some way to remove a pool from a deleted post?
Like this one?
Unbreakable already handled that, but for future reference: go here, look up the pool in question, click "edit" on the toolbar along the top, and remove the post id of what you want to banish.
Indy! said:
even so, you should always check for duplicates before you upload. the "similar" button in the bookmarklet makes it super easy, but you can use this (or saucenao) if you want to be extra safe.
Don't forget that we also have this website to check whether the image(s) you want to upload is a duplicate of existing post or not.