Tag alias: indoor_shoes -> uwabaki

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keonas

Edit: Better put it in the 1st post for easy visibility
As discuss below,

create alias indoor_shoes_(japanese) -> uwabaki

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Like with jiangshi, uwabaki isn't a very well known term for the western community. On the other hand indoor_shoes (japanese version) has been the translation used for pretty much every anime and manga ever, making it the more usual term here.
Like many others, i've tried to tag images as indoor_shoes of footwear but haven't found the correct tag, except for 1 single forum post where they are linked.
Aliasing these 2 tags should make it easier, and also make uwabaki more usual.

EDIT: The tag alias indoor_shoes_(japanese) -> uwabaki (forum #150927) has been approved by @Hillside_Moose.

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keonas

I saw the slippers that people give you when entering a house in Japan referred to as indoors in one movie's translation once, so i know where you're coming from but, i'm with BrokenEagel on this one. Wouldn't call slippers shoes. Indoor footwear, sure, but not shoes.

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Shinjidude

Unbreakable said:

Isn't slippers a type of indoors shoes as well? That makes this alias bad.

BrokenEagle98 said:

I'm not sure I've ever thought of slippers as being a type of shoe. Slippers are slippers and shoes are shoes.

The German term for "slipper" I've heard from relatives - "hausschuh" - is literally cognate with "house-shoe". So I guess in my mind I also consider them shoes of a sort. I'll walk back my vote for now.

We could consider reversing this and converting it to an implication. uwabaki -> indoor_shoes and add another implication for slippers -> indoor_shoes. That'd group the "indoor-only" shoes if nothing else. The antecedents would get added to the indoor_shoes wiki for those looking for the Japanese term.

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keonas

Shinjidude said:

The German term for "slipper" I've heard from relatives - "hausschuh" - is literally cognate with "house-shoe". So I guess in my mind I also consider them shoes of a sort. I'll walk back my vote for now.

We could consider reversing this and converting it to an implication. uwabaki -> indoor_shoes and add another implication for slippers -> indoor_shoes. That'd group the "indoor-only" shoes if nothing else. The antecedents would get added to the indoor_shoes wiki for those looking for the Japanese term.

I could see this turning into uwabaki being aliased/implying to a general tag like indoor_footwear since 'shoes' doesn't fit all the type of footwear worn inside a house, school, hospital etc. But it might be way too vague and hard to tag effectively.
At least uwabaki is a clearly defined type of footwear which can be described and found easily. It's just that the term itself 'uwabaki' isn't well known, as opposed to indoor_shoes which, in the anime community refers specifically to those used in Japanese schools.
I can see that they refer to different things in other cultures though, i don't know if those should concern us that much for tagging purposes.

btw, i'd vote no on the implication for slippers -> indoor_shoes. I know the wiki for them says " meant to be worn indoors" bu that's wrong. They have a very wide area of uses (based on the design) including, indoors for houses, schools, hospitals, but also outdoors, in the street, beach, etc.

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iridescent slime

On the face of it, this alias doesn't sound too bad, but I'm hesitant to endorse any alias from a generic-sounding term to a very specific one. Outside of an anime-specific context, "indoor shoes" could mean a lot of different things, and this has the potential to result in shoes that aren't uwabaki accidentally getting tagged uwabaki.

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Shinjidude

keonas said:

They have a very wide area of uses (based on the design) including, indoors for houses, schools, hospitals, but also outdoors, in the street, beach, etc.

Really? I thought I was weird for occasionally wearing mine to put out the trash, etc. What I'd consider slippers probably aren't meant for outside. Maybe other people have broader definitions than I do. For example, I see that post #3273240 is tagged slippers, but to me those aren't slippers at all, but rather flip-flops.

Searching for slippers flip-flops together shows more overlap, and it seems sometimes it goes both ways. The thong-strap style that has the peg between your big and second toe, or the style with an open toe, but a strap over your foot (unless it's made of plush cloth), I'd consider only flip-flops, and consider them mostly for outdoor use. You can see these styles as the left-most and second left-most footwear in post #3215922.

The type with the closed toe, but no sides or back, like the ones in post #2012224, I'd consider only slippers (even if they can be somewhat floppy).

It looks like there's similar overlap in slippers sandals too, with mostly the same types of footwear. I'd probably only consider something to be a sandal if it had a strap behind the foot, or around the ankle.

Are there any types of slippers you are thinking of for outdoor use other than the ones I'd consider flip-flops or sandals?

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keonas

Just from wikipedia:
Open-heel slippers - vague, for both indoors and outdoors
Closed slippers - indoors mostly
Slipper boots - note, we should never tag these specifically as slippers
Sandal slippers - outdoors mostly
Evening slipper - outdoors mostly

Since indoor slippers weren't really a thing in my country till a decade ago, the last 2 are usually the ones i think of when hearting slippers and they are almost exclusively for outdoor use.

I do see slippers are sometimes refereed as "sandals" but, like for you, if they don't have a back strap, i don't see how they're sandals.

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Vezral

iridescent_slime said:

On the face of it, this alias doesn't sound too bad, but I'm hesitant to endorse any alias from a generic-sounding term to a very specific one. Outside of an anime-specific context, "indoor shoes" could mean a lot of different things, and this has the potential to result in shoes that aren't uwabaki accidentally getting tagged uwabaki.

Pretty much this.

Given that uwabaki is strictly referring to the Japanese school indoor shoes, shouldn't it be indoor_shoes_(japanese) at the very least?

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keonas

Vezral said:

Pretty much this.

Given that uwabaki is strictly referring to the Japanese school indoor shoes, shouldn't it be indoor_shoes_(japanese) at the very least?

sounds fine, the only goal here was so we would be able to find uwabaki when tagging.
Writing indoor_shoes would then give the 'indoor_shoes_(japanese)->uwabaki' auto-complete and fulfill that requirement.

Any objections to changing the request to that? Or other ideas?

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Shinjidude

keonas said:

Just from wikipedia:
Open-heel slippers - vague, for both indoors and outdoors
Closed slippers - indoors mostly
Slipper boots - note, we should never tag these specifically as slippers
Sandal slippers - outdoors mostly
Evening slipper - outdoors mostly

Since indoor slippers weren't really a thing in my country till a decade ago, the last 2 are usually the ones i think of when hearting slippers and they are almost exclusively for outdoor use.

I do see slippers are sometimes refereed as "sandals" but, like for you, if they don't have a back strap, i don't see how they're sandals.

Interesting, so the term obviously holds then for outdoors as well. For me, I personally wouldn't think of the last two as slippers, and I don't think I've encountered the first one (open-heel)'s outdoor version, but from the images, the ones with solid soles are obviously meant to be for outdoor use.

keonas said:

sounds fine, the only goal here was so we would be able to find uwabaki when tagging.
Writing indoor_shoes would then give the 'indoor_shoes_(japanese)->uwabaki' auto-complete and fulfill that requirement.

Any objections to changing the request to that? Or other ideas?

That seems fine to me, and I'd get behind it.

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