And here I thought the Fusou sisters are the most unlucky ones... Thanks for explaining.
Some folks assumed its because of how they sank is why they have the lowest luck stat. Mutsu because of her internal explosion, and Taihou from one torpedo that how it was shot, it was the equivalent of flinging a basketball from one side of the court and hitting nothing but the bottom of the net when you only have .2 seconds to pull it off to win the game.
Not all girls that (Historically) had bad luck got a bad luck stat. Inazuma is average luck although the devs could have given her low luck too. and with some maruryu feeding, the Fusou sisters can actually have some pretty high luck.
Although it would take alot of Maruyus, the Fusou sisters (as well as some others) have a low starting luck stat.
The trend seems to be that they give girls low luck depending how "Tragic" said ship girl was. In which case, the Fusou sisters had some bad luck with ship designing and sortieing in general but not so catastrophically bad luck as others that self destructed or "accidently" team fired on another allied ship.
Alot of players don't really care too much about the actual history of said girls so most of what they get is whatever Kadokawa gave the girls for personality in game. In which case, Taihou and Mutsu aren't really complaining about how "Bad luck" they are compared to the Fusou sisters whose every other line is talking about how sad and unfortunute they are (despite actually having not that bad of a starting luck stat and maximum luck stat).
It doesn't help that Taihou was suppose to be a "revolutional" armored aircraft carrier. Along with a group of inexperienced crew members and huge flaws, she got the shortest end if the stick.
You can't get more unlucky than being labeled as a new top of the line creation only to be destroyed with relative ease and prove to be almost completely worthless.
It doesn't help that Taihou was suppose to be a "revolutional" armored aircraft carrier. Along with a group of inexperienced crew members and huge flaws, she got the shortest end if the stick.
You can't get more unlucky than being labeled as a new top of the line creation only to be destroyed with relative ease and prove to be almost completely worthless.
It doesn't help that Taihou was suppose to be a "revolutional" armored aircraft carrier. Along with a group of inexperienced crew members and huge flaws, she got the shortest end if the stick.
You can't get more unlucky than being labeled as a new top of the line creation only to be destroyed with relative ease and prove to be almost completely worthless.
Stats be damned I'd still rate Mutsu way worse then Taihou. At least Taihou was destroyed by enemy action in the midst of an active battle. Sure, the hit shouldn't have destroyed the ship if it had been more competently crewed, but at least she sank because someone actively attacked her with a weapon intended to sink ships.
Mutsu though was just sitting in a harbor and randomly exploded. I seriously cannot think of another modern warship that has happened to, and I also really can't fathom how any fate can really be considered more unlucky then just spontaneously exploding in your home port thousands of miles from the nearest enemy ship. Really sinking because of a bungled damage control decision isn't even in the same ballpark, any number of ships have been lost due to poor decisions by the crew, but to just spontaneously explode at anchor in harbor... that's next level shit.
Tk3997 said: Mutsu though was just sitting in a harbor and randomly exploded. I seriously cannot think of another modern warship that has happened to, and I also really can't fathom how any fate can really be considered more unlucky then just spontaneously exploding in your home port thousands of miles from the nearest enemy ship. Really sinking because of a bungled damage control decision isn't even in the same ballpark, any number of ships have been lost due to poor decisions by the crew, but to just spontaneously explode at anchor in harbor... that's next level shit.
The thing about that is if you think about it like this; what is worse? Randomly exploding yet safe in the harbor with a chance of recovery and since you are not in battle it means the crewmates had a chance to be saved?
Or be completely fucked in the middle of a battle due to poor management, inexperienced crewmates and design flaws despite seen as revolutional, where thousands upon thousands of soldiers' lives are completely jeopardized because "shit, we fucked up..."?
If we use planes as an example, if an airplane's turbine blows up on the ground would that not be consider more lucky than it blowing up DURING flight up thousands of miles in the sky with countless amount of people? It sucks that she blew up without even getting on the battlefield but getting destroyed because something fucked up ON the battlefield is even worse.
The Fusou-class tendencies to talk about bad luck is supposedly because of their name which look like "Fukou" (Misfortune in japanese), thus the devs played on the pun and made them like that even though there are unluckier ships. But it's just a supposition and nothing has been said about that. Also, seems like the IJN thought the Fusou-class was a bad posting because they were not in a good shape during WWII or somehing like that; while Mutsu and Taihou weren't seen like this by the IJN, so maybe that's a hint of explanation about their personality?
I don't get Taihou's logic. See, I understand the individual words and sentences, but the whole thing just doesn't make sense to me. So yeah, check_translation.
I don't get Taihou's logic. See, I understand the individual words and sentences, but the whole thing just doesn't make sense to me. So yeah, check_translation.
There are two ways to boost luck in game: modernize with Maru-yu and get married.
I seriously cannot think of another modern warship that has happened to,
I don't know if they counts as modern warships, but the Leonardo da Vinci (Conte di Cavour class) and the Novorossiysk (ex Giulio Cesare) also sunk while sitting in their harbors.
I don't know if they counts as modern warships, but the Leonardo da Vinci (Conte di Cavour class) and the Novorossiysk (ex Giulio Cesare) also sunk while sitting in their harbors.
I know a few WWI era ships did explode, in fact a Japanese Dreadnaught also randomly exploded during that period, but I should have clarified as "modern in relation to WWII", after several of those incidents pretty much everyone seemed to sort that shit out and no capital ships beside Mutsu just randomly exploded during WWII that I know of.
Keo said:
The thing about that is if you think about it like this; what is worse? Randomly exploding yet safe in the harbor with a chance of recovery and since you are not in battle it means the crewmates had a chance to be saved?
Mutsu had fewer survivors and the damage was completely unrecoverable. A magazine explosion usually is and this was no exception. The ship was literally blown in half.
Or be completely fucked in the middle of a battle due to poor management, inexperienced crewmates and design flaws despite seen as revolutional, where thousands upon thousands of soldiers' lives are completely jeopardized because "shit, we fucked up..."?
Things going wrong in battle is just a fact of life, it's to be expected that when people are flinging bombs and bullets at you occasionally one of them is going to find something you really wish it hadn't. Was Taihou unlucky? Yes, but she was also being actively attacked by someone with intent to kill which is a rather major mitigating factor.
She was unlucky in the same sense as someone actively engaged in a gun fight being shot and then getting sub-standard first aid is. Mutsu is unlucky in the sense of someone tripping on a icy patch on their front steps when heading out to the quicky-mart and fracturing their skull in the fall.
If we use planes as an example, if an airplane's turbine blows up on the ground would that not be consider more lucky than it blowing up DURING flight up thousands of miles in the sky with countless amount of people?
That's not comparable in two ways, first off one vehicle isn't actually destroyed. For a second one vehicle wasn't been actively attacked with intent to destroy it.
A truly comparable example would be one plane being hit by a surface to air missile, and while fighting with the damaged plane a poor choice leads to a crash. Meanwhile another plane is sitting on the tarmac... and then just bursts into flames and burns down to the wheels killing everyone in it.
It sucks that she blew up without even getting on the battlefield but getting destroyed because something fucked up ON the battlefield is even worse.
No, it's just not. Because if you think about it almost everyone that dies on the battlefield dies because someone fucked up; they zigged instead of zagging, they misjudged the situation, they underestimated enemy capabilities, they failed to get a warning, they failed to give a warning, etc, etc. Shit happens in battle. There are a thousand examples similar to Taihou, but Mutsu is devastatingly, stupefyingly unique in her achievement of managing to destroy herself with no outside intervention in a safe harbor during WWII.
That alone puts her in a class of her own in terms of awful luck. She is singularly unlucky, no other ship in the entire war can match her level of fail.
To say nothing about the circumstances surrounding her creation and the Washington Naval Treaty.
About the only kanmusu whose real-world counterpart had an unluckier "birth" was Graf Zeppelin -- the DKM Graf Zeppelin, the only aircraft carrier Germany has ever tried to build (before, during, or after WW2), was never fully constructed, and struck a mine and sank while being towed to be scrapped.
Ok, If I see either of you use "randomly explode" again I am seriously going to smack the taste out of your mouths.
SABOTAGING A GUNNERY BATTERY ISN'T RANDOMLY EXPLODING. Mutsu was intentionally damaged by a crew member. Now I'm not sure if he wanted to sink her or just cripple her, but all the same what happened to Turrent 3 on Mutsu was a malicious and planned act of sabotage and not a random act of sudden cataclysmic chance.
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