Danbooru

About tags: pokemon games

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We have these tags that AFAIK are filled with most applicable posts:

They are for the characters, clothes and/or situations specific of each duo of Pokémon games.

By comparison, I'd like to fill these other tags with more entries, (with the same rationale) as they are relatively quite unused (the last two would be created from scratch; pokemon gold and silver has 0 posts):

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It might be easier to tag the games by generation as opposed to title. These tags don't account for Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, or Platinum, and even though despite a few unique things in the game, should be incorporated with the other games. For the purposes of Danbooru I don't think there's much point in being that specific with each game.

FRLG and HGSS being remakes are the only ones in a unique scenario that might call for their own game tags.

The tag names could follow a straight forward format with pokemon generation 1 / pokemon 1st generation,
or it could use the names most of the pokemon community is familiar with like pokemon rgby and pokemon gsc.

Emerald Brandan and May wear (slightly) different clothes, so I believe alternate costume, instead of alternate color, applies.

The wiki of yuuki (pokemon) already mentioned his alternate costume, so I added a similar note to haruka (pokemon).

If we can search for individual aspects of each game that way, then do you really think we need pokemon firered and leafgreen? Its wiki says "This tag (primarily) indicates alternate costumes." and it could be easily replaced by these searches:

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Do you think separating the series strictly by generation, this way, is a good idea?

There are alternative possibilities, such as using pokemon gsc-hgss for all the Johto games together.

Personally, I'd trust alternative costume for a lot of characters and have these final tags, for consistency of storylines:

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Adding my idea of "pokemon RGBY-FRLG", etc.

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I think the remakes should be put in the same generation as the originals. They involve too much of the same places and people to be made separate, and that's what's relevant to Danbooru.

I don't necessarily think their names needs to be in the tag names, though, if only because its so unwieldy. It's also little redundant when you think about how the remakes names are just modified names of the originals. Pokemon HGSS/FRLG can just be aliased to the originals to prevent confusion, with a note in the wiki for the explanation.

So far, so good. In this case, according to the current proposal, we would have this:

(feel free to correct me, or add anything, if I missed something)

1. These five tags:

2. Which would comprise the few things of the remakes of the games as well, such as using pokemon rgby to tag the character leaf_(pokemon), who is (for tagging purposes) present only in FRLG.

3. We would have "remake->original" aliases such as pokemon frlg -> pokemon rgby, to prevent confusion by anyone who doesn't follow the rule number 2 immediately.

4. Any clothes introduced in a remake (I believe the remakes with new clothes are: Emerald, FRLG, Platinum, HGSS) are alternate costumes.

5. Also, I suppose current tags would implicate the new ones, this way: pokemon diamond and pearl -> pokemon dppt; etc.

Importantly, in my opinion, pokemon RSE is a better name than pokemon generation III, because the latter could very easily be intuitively misused or misread as something that includes FRLG.

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  • Some wording.
  • Mentioning the "alternate costumes".

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Danielx21 said:
3. We would have "remake->original" aliases such as pokemon frlg -> pokemon rgby, to prevent confusion by anyone who doesn't follow the rule number 2 immediately.

This already has a bit of precedence with the hibiki_(pokemon) -> gold_(pokemon) alias, though this is also to lump the HGSS character with his original's look's SPECIAL variant, whose name hasn't changed.

IIRC, I was one of the dorks who was involved in cobbling up these tags in the first place, but I still feel unsure about only using pokemon_heartgold_and_soulsilver for alterations from GSC, which would exclude kotone_(pokemon) and, depending on what's depicted, the Pokéathlon.

I like the initializations, though, since they cover the "third versions". ("Pt" still kinda bugs me, even though it's on the periodic table and all; I'd just as soon leave it at "DPP", but the former is more ubiquitous.)

T5J8F8 said:
IIRC, I was one of the dorks who was involved in cobbling up these tags in the first place

Up to now on the forums it's pretty much all you to the point that jxh and I mostly stay out of pokemon stuff unless you've posted.

T5J8F8 said:
IIRC, I was one of the dorks who was involved in cobbling up these tags in the first place, but I still feel unsure about only using pokemon_heartgold_and_soulsilver for alterations from GSC, which would exclude kotone_(pokemon) and, depending on what's depicted, the Pokéathlon.

True, T5J8F8, the wiki of pokemon heartgold and soulsilver says:

  • Do not include Kotone or the Pokéathlon, since they are additions rather than revisions.

However, that's weird to me. I would have assumed that the current tag pokemon heartgold and soulsilver excludes crystal (pokemon) because she is restricted to the 2nd gen, but it includes kotone (pokemon), because she is one "alteration from GSC" as well; she appears in the 4th gen but not in the 2nd gen. My assumption is mere logic rather than convenience, though. It'd be like using pokemon emerald as a tag of post #1046927 because of Brendan and May's clothes, as discussed before in this thread.

Differently, if the proposal described messages above takes place, then pokemon heartgold and soulsilver would be aliased to the convenient pokemon gsc, that encompasses all the characters and clothes of the same storyline together:

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  • Some wording.
  • Expanding a little.

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Relatedly, in a short separate conversation between me and Rampardos, it was pointed out that:

1. We have tags such as kanto and johto, that can be used for the landmass / locations as an additional/separate idea.

2. Even though we agreed that alternate costume is better than copyright tags for the purpose of tagging alternate costumes, some copyright tags still would be used for that purpose.

The examples (according to our proposal):

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Danielx21 said:

1. These five tags:

(...)

3. We would have "remake->original" aliases such as pokemon frlg -> pokemon rgby, to prevent confusion by anyone who doesn't follow the rule number 2 immediately.

(...)

5. Also, I suppose current tags would implicate the new ones, this way: pokemon diamond and pearl -> pokemon dppt; etc.

Rampardos said:
I think the remakes should be put in the same generation as the originals. They involve too much of the same places and people to be made separate, and that's what's relevant to Danbooru.

(...) think about how the remakes names are just modified names of the originals. Pokemon HGSS/FRLG can just be aliased to the originals to prevent confusion, with a note in the wiki for the explanation.

T5J8F8 said:
(...) I still feel unsure about only using pokemon_heartgold_and_soulsilver for alterations from GSC, which would exclude kotone_(pokemon) and, depending on what's depicted, the Pokéathlon.

I like the initializations, though, since they cover the "third versions". ("Pt" still kinda bugs me, even though it's on the periodic table and all; I'd just as soon leave it at "DPP", but the former is more ubiquitous.)

Danielx21 said:
(...) then pokemon heartgold and soulsilver would be aliased to the convenient pokemon gsc, that encompasses all the characters and clothes of the same storyline together:

(The four quotes above are a somewhat messy summary of the whole proposal, taken from the thoughtful conversation that happened in this thread one week ago. It conveniently serves as context to what I have to say below.)

Here is the full organized project, with a list of all the aliases that conform to the proposal.

Part I, unaliasing current tags:

(Explanation: These are the current aliases that may need to be undone, if that helps.)

Part II, aliasing pairs of games:

(Disclaimer: These are the actual pairs of games released together by Nintendo, that are
well-known in specific word orders, e.g. "pokemon ruby and sapphire". I'm not asking for any random two games or word orders, like "pokemon sapphire and ruby" or "pokemon ruby and emerald", that would be technically accurate aliases but seldom or never actually used by people.)

Part III, moving a manga tag:

(Explanation: In the current unchanged system, we have these aliases:

In the current unchanged system, we would have to alias "pokemon_dp" to "pokemon_diamond_and_pearl", for consistency. The current proposal is somewhat different, because pokemon diamond and pearl would become pokemon dppt [an abbreviation of "Pokémon Diamond, Pearl and Platinum"], so pokemon dp would become an alias to pokemon dppt instead. However, now pokemon dp represents the manga "Pocket Monsters Diamond-Pearl Legend: Pokémon D・P", with only 7 posts.)

(Compare pocket monsters (manga), a different manga tag.)

Part IV, aliasing short forms:

(Disclaimer: Same as the part II, only listing common abbreviations and nothing random. Interestingly, post #1011207 displays some abbreviations in big letters.)

Part V, aliasing individual games:

Part VI, the end:

  • Just updating the five wikis, and tagging posts. Both the current and new tags would be available, either as aliases or as main names.

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  • Some wording.
  • Adding, and later expanding, the "part III", about the mangá Pokémon D・P.
  • Mentioning post #1011207 somewhere.
  • Adding "pokemon r&b", "pokemon g&s" and "pokemon r&s".

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*bumps*

Now I expanded the part III above, a little.

The games, abbreviations and logic are basic knowledge of the fandom, easily recognizable by Pokémon players, but one does not have to know the series in order to understand the project (parts I through VI) as I wrote it.

Despite being explained through a wall of text, the final result is very simple: we would just have five tags (pokemon_rgby, pokemon_gsc, pokemon rse, pokemon_dppt and pokemon_bw) and a number of aliases to cover the multiple names of the games.

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Some wording.

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I think that's all nicely done... Except for the BW games. Specifically...

Current aliases, to be changed:

  • pokemon_bw -> pokemon_black_and_white
  • pokemon_b&w -> pokemon_black_and_white
  • pokemon_black -> pokemon_black_and_white
  • pokemon_white -> pokemon_black_and_white

Proposed aliases, according to the project discussed here:

  • pokemon_b&w -> pokemon_bw
  • pokemon_black -> pokemon_bw
  • pokemon_white -> pokemon_bw
  • pokemon_black_and_white -> pokemon_bw
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