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Shinjidude said: I think it would be good for there be some sort of objective way of determining a image's worthiness.
There's really no such thing.
My only rubric is "If I uploaded this, would anyone make a stink about it?" If it's okay for *me* to upload, it's okay for *someone else* to upload, because fair is fair. I try to apply the same standards to myself and to others and vice versa.
Okay, explanation: Bad mood. I got overly ruthless, and realized this this morning when this thread was linked to me. As an apology, I told SoSD he could re-upload the image (although he had to add in something extra to get it past the duplicate checking system, see if you can spot what it is!) as, looking at it again, the only problem with it is the man-hands.
albert kind of leaves moderation as an arbitrary process, and, honestly, I've rarely exercised my mod powers. I can already tell you, though, that my big huge pet peeve is going to be liberal use of the "tagme" tag. If this is the sole tag of an image, you can bet it's going to be deleted. A single, highly useful tag (artist, series, or character) and "tagme", however, will save your post. I don't really like tags defining hair and eye color, as they're entirely too broad to be of any use in assisting the proper tagging of the image, but if you at least *tried* to tag, you're probably fine. But poor tagging and an image I don't like is a bad combo.
It's hard to be holistic, but I'll try. :)
Shinjidude said:
Please don't, since it makes otherwise good images impossible to re-upload. Better to give the user a bad record. I do agree with you about tagging though.
I would probably give a pass, if the image was good, but give the user a bad record. I should probably learn about these new features sometime soon...
edit: I was also under the impression that a deleted post meant that the image was off the server, and was therefore open for re-uploading. I guess it makes sense not to do that, though, in case of flooders who spam the same images over and over again...
OGT said: edit: I was also under the impression that a deleted post meant that the image was off the server, and was therefore open for re-uploading. I guess it makes sense not to do that, though, in case of flooders who spam the same images over and over again...
It remembers the hash, thus blocking the image from ever being reuploaded.
I have a ticket in track asking if mods can get the ability to 'undelete' the image, i.e. actually just free up the hash again.
This thread is relevant to me. I've had 11 of the 57 images I've tried to upload in the past week or so deleted, often with little explanation.
Two had the explanation "compression" as a single word, and I'm not quite sure what that means.
Two had "this is an image bank, not a data bank", which I can understand and accept.
One had "poory drawn and unfunny". Unfunny, IMO, is a stupid reason to delete something, being purely subjective as it is.
And six had the simple word "poor", which tells me NOTHING, especially because they definitely weren't poorly drawn or low quality.
It's frustrating to me, because I try to contribute, only to have it denied forever with little reasonable explanation.
NathanArcs said:
This thread is relevant to me. I've had 11 of the 57 images I've tried to upload in the past week or so deleted, often with little explanation.
Post one somewhere else (like photobucket) and link it here as example. It might be that your deinition of "poor" is incorrect (unlike the poster who started this thread, who had actually uploaded a not-great-but-not-poor image).
NathanArcs said:
This thread is relevant to me. I've had 11 of the 57 images I've tried to upload in the past week or so deleted, often with little explanation.Two had the explanation "compression" as a single word, and I'm not quite sure what that means.
Two had "this is an image bank, not a data bank", which I can understand and accept.
One had "poory drawn and unfunny". Unfunny, IMO, is a stupid reason to delete something, being purely subjective as it is.
And six had the simple word "poor", which tells me NOTHING, especially because they definitely weren't poorly drawn or low quality.
It's frustrating to me, because I try to contribute, only to have it denied forever with little reasonable explanation.
Compression means your image is too low quality because the jpeg compression artifacts are too apparent.
NathanArcs said: It's frustrating to me, because I try to contribute, only to have it denied forever with little reasonable explanation.
None of those reasons sound familiar so I don't know if any were me, but remember that the mod queue gets massive, so sometimes you'll get short responses. Maybe 'poor' is a little too short, but you get my point.
NathanArcs said:
One had "poory drawn and unfunny". Unfunny, IMO, is a stupid reason to delete something, being purely subjective as it is.
Could you link this one again? I think it was some kind of non-4koma parody.
Also, your other contributions are fine. I wouldn't sweat 11 out of 57.
Also, your other contributions are fine. I wouldn't sweat 11 out of 57.
If you've got a decent deal of contributions accepted, I guess a few rejections is OK. For instance it's not always easy to notice a duplicate.
To not discourage new members to post, the most important thing, as NathanArcs said, is to give correct explanations when rejecting.
I registered to Danbooru only a few days ago, and already posted some stuff. 4 posts were rejected, and a reason was given each time.
For the fourth reject, the reason was obviously unfair to me, thus the reason I created this forum topic... mostly to find out how the moderation system worked.
I find the discussion that ensues in this thread very constructive and friendly, even on such a sensitive subject (on many communities, complaining about moderation is not well accepted).
Also, I just thought I'd offer something I've noticed as a mod.
Many images fall into a nebulous "this isn't good enough to keep, but it's not bad enough to delete" and these are always the hardest to decide what to do with. When an image is in that category, it's just luck of the draw as to whether or not it gets deleted.
I say, if you've only had a few images (less than a third of total uploads, let's say) deleted, don't worry about it--you may not make it to an invited privileged member, but you won't earn the hatred of the mods. You're still a resource to the community. If well over half your images have been deleted, though, that should be a signal for you to search for other imageboards/danboorus to post to, perhaps ones with less stringent posting procedures.
OGT said: Many images fall into a nebulous "this isn't good enough to keep, but it's not bad enough to delete" and these are always the hardest to decide what to do with.
Haha, I hate those. I tend to just leave them in the queue, but then I feel like I'm just letting someone else do the dirty work so I'm trying to be a little more proactive on those.
But that in itself is sort of like the "multiple mod" review some people want. I looked at it, thought it was bad, and didn't approve it. Another mod clearly agreed, and nixed it. I don't know. ::shrugs::
jxh2154 said:
Haha, I hate those. I tend to just leave them in the queue, but then I feel like I'm just letting someone else do the dirty work so I'm trying to be a little more proactive on those.But that in itself is sort of like the "multiple mod" review some people want. I looked at it, thought it was bad, and didn't approve it. Another mod clearly agreed, and nixed it. I don't know. ::shrugs::
Maybe there should be some way to flag a post as "a moderator has seen this image, and deliberately has not approved it". maybe call it marking it suspect or something. After a set number of mods mark it suspect, it just automatically gets deleted.
Or some kind of "pocket veto" where if an image sits unapproved for a week and has a score less than 3 (or whatever arbitrary number, obviously it has to be more than two to prevent the uploader from upvoting his own image and offering it protection) it just gets automatically deleted.
Right, posting, finally.
Anywho, here are the ones that I believe were unfairly deleted. If I'm wrong about this, just let me know. Any knowledge is helpful.
http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1174012811711nm6.jpg
http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1174060292229ah0.jpg
...and the "poory drawn(true) and unfunny" one:
http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4u0v1hdwt1.jpg
Well, back to posting more pictures...
