What is the stance on sending images to the queue you know won't be approved

I uploaded post #11019024 while knowing it won't be approved so I sent it to queue for archival purposes and WRS said that they were already archived in media assets so there was no point for me to post it which was admittedly true, I just didn't want them to be kept somewhere obscure and want them to be more easily accessible to a fandom I liked to fans of that fandom which was true crime. However, I saw neutral feedback on thelieutenant if he was gonna upload media that he knows won't be approved, he should just send it to queue and how Farm uploaded post #8186570 and post #8848328 to the queue, presumably knowing they won't be approved while they were in media assets already whom I can only guess for the same reasons why I voluntarily sent posts I know won't be approved to the queue and he was an approver by the time he uploaded these.

So if an approver discouraged it while another (former) approver did it, what is the stance on posting images to Danbooru that you know won't be approved so you send it to queue to be archived despite them already being in media assets?

I don't think it's too much of a big deal as long as you don't constantly do it. I'm talking once every few months, be it as a joke or as a genuine archival act. There's plenty of people who maliciously upload absolute shit to the queue, a post like the one you posted isn't going to move the needle. Just don't use already being contributor as an excuse to constantly post things you know won't make it to the queue.

ANON_TOKYO said in forum #424803:

I don't think it's too much of a big deal as long as you don't constantly do it. I'm talking once every few months, be it as a joke or as a genuine archival act. There's plenty of people who maliciously upload absolute shit to the queue, a post like the one you posted isn't going to move the needle. Just don't use already being contributor as an excuse to constantly post things you know won't make it to the queue.

Ok noted, I just need to slow down. It's just that finding anime art of true crime is very hard, let alone good quality anime true crime art and how true crime is my bias and stuff.

what if instead of sending to queue you could send straight on deleteds? does that sound like a good feature?

No, that would create more harm than good.

alexr05 said in forum #424802:

they were already archived in media assets so there was no point for me to post it

This argument has always felt silly to me. They're technically "archived" in the sense that they're not at risk of vanishing completely, but until we can actually search assets by anything like artist or translated tags or even just source url they might as well be completely lost to anyone other than you.

FubukiKai said in forum #424859:

This argument has always felt silly to me. They're technically "archived" in the sense that they're not at risk of vanishing completely, but until we can actually search assets by anything like artist or translated tags or even just source url they might as well be completely lost to anyone other than you.

seconded. in their present state, media assets are only a good archive insofar as you don't care about things like quality of life and searchability.

trapster77 said in forum #424813:

what if instead of sending to queue you could send straight on deleteds? does that sound like a good feature?

Massonia said in forum #424816:

No, that would create more harm than good.

This has actually been proposed before as a solution to the issue of archiving without bothering the queue. The problems (and usual counter-arguments) include the fact that people are bound to use it for perfectly fine art, and may use it to spam too much low quality stuff, so the same problems remain. The discussion usually ends at "well just send it to queue after all".

What about just saving the critical API data, like the tags, artist, commentary, etc, as a JSON attachment to the media asset? That way this essential data won't be lost to the aether if the artist decides to nuke that post or their entire account. This data could then be made to be searchable, so you could find all artwork made by a particular account from a supported site.

FubukiKai said in forum #424859:

This argument has always felt silly to me. They're technically "archived" in the sense that they're not at risk of vanishing completely, but until we can actually search assets by anything like artist or translated tags or even just source url they might as well be completely lost to anyone other than you.

That energy should be channeled into a feature request to make assets more browsable then instead of advocating for dumping them onto the post index. We say "do it sparingly" and you know a builder is going to ignore the "sparingly" part and start a chain reaction of people not sparingly queueing archival-only/need-second-opinion posts. There's at least some work being considered/done for this (issue #6298).

WRS said in forum #425018:

That energy should be channeled into a feature request to make assets more browsable then instead of advocating for dumping them onto the post index. We say "do it sparingly" and you know a builder is going to ignore the "sparingly" part and start a chain reaction of people not sparingly queueing archival-only/need-second-opinion posts. There's at least some work being considered/done for this (issue #6298).

It's not the media assets need to be more browsable, but the actual post index.