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BUR #54273 has been approved by @nonamethanks.
create implication high_heel_sandals -> high_heels
High heel sandals are of course, high heels. Therefore it makes sense for high heel sandals to have the high heel tag added automatically. It's in the name even. High heel sandals already imply sandals. High heel boots imply high heels as precedent.
Previously discussed in topic #29578
Placeholder1996 said in forum #416424:
Previously discussed in topic #29578
Was I supposed to reply to that thread to re-open it or am i good opening a new one due to it saying rejected?
taliakuznetsova said in forum #416428:
Was I supposed to reply to that thread to re-open it or am i good opening a new one due to it saying rejected?
It was probably fine to open a new thread since it has been a while. Tags are often discussed multiple times in the forum by different people. The link is so people know it was discussed before and what the discussion was about. I do make a habit of checking if tags I want to talk about have been in previous BURs. You can do that by clicking the BUR option in the menu at the top of the screen which will take you to a search page; there you can search by tag (set status to empty so it will search all BURs).
Placeholder1996 said in forum #416429:
It was probably fine to open a new thread since it has been a while. Tags are often discussed multiple times in the forum by different people. The link is so people know it was discussed before and what the discussion was about. I do make a habit of checking if tags I want to talk about have been in previous BURs. You can do that by clicking the BUR option in the menu at the top of the screen which will take you to a search page; there you can search by tag (set status to empty so it will search all BURs).
Fair. I checked myself and saw it was a year+ ago so I made a new thread but wasn't fully sure at the time. Thanks for confirming that was an acceptable move. If i make any BUR's in the future I'll link previous ones myself.
AngryZapdos said in forum #319616:
This is completely unnecessary. The vast majority of the 60,000+ posts under the high_heels sandals search are already sandals with high heels. Just like with high_heels boots, the false positives are actually very low, to the point there's already no issue when searching for them. These tags solve a problem that does not exist and are nothing more than bloat.
BUR #54276 has been rejected.
mass update high_heel_sandals -> -high_heel_sandals high_heels sandals
deprecate high_heel_sandals
I stand by my previous BUR. This is still nothing more than a tandem tag.
AngryZapdos said in forum #416437:
BUR #54276 has been rejected.
mass update high_heel_sandals -> -high_heel_sandals high_heels sandals
deprecate high_heel_sandalsI stand by my previous BUR. This is still nothing more than a tandem tag.
Why is that bad? I find having more tags to be easier when searching. With using High Heel boots as a precedent. High Heel Boots can be searched directly, but if you have a fuzzy memory of an image (Atleast, I loose details and have to re-hunt for images alot) one might only remember the picture contains high heels. Thus, being able to search by high heels shows you the entire category as a whole due to the auto implication tagging.
taliakuznetsova said in forum #416438:
Why is that bad? I find having more tags to be easier when searching. With using High Heel boots as a precedent. High Heel Boots can be searched directly, but if you have a fuzzy memory of an image (Atleast, I loose details and have to re-hunt for images alot) one might only remember the picture contains high heels. Thus, being able to search by high heels shows you the entire category as a whole due to the auto implication tagging.
If it's already searchable with just two tags, then it's what we call a tandem tag, which should be avoided whenever possible. For example, let's take a look at long_red_hair and black_ponytail. The reason we don't have these tags is because they're already very easy to find with the long_hair red_hair and black_hair ponytail searches. Instead of making short_red_hair, medium_red_hair, long_red_hair and so on for every single color and style, we just search for two tags at the same time. It's called a tandem tag specifically because it can be completely replaced with a two-tag search.
The reason we would make a new tag is when it's difficult to search for something, even with multiple tags. If you want to find characters, say, holding keys, then the holding key search is actually not very useful. Most of the posts feature characters holding other things, with the key being somewhere else in the image. This is why we have holding_key, along with all the other holding_x tags.
Going back to high_heel_sandals, if you use the high_heels sandals search, almost every post has sandals with high heels. Additionally, this search has more than double the amount of results than the tag - high_heel_sandals barely has 6k posts, while the high_heels sandals search has almost 13k. This is particularly ironic, because it means that if you search for the tag that's supposed to help you find high heeled sandals, you're actually missing out on over half of the posts that you're looking for.
Updated by AngryZapdos
AngryZapdos said in forum #416442:
Going back to high_heel_sandals, if you use the high_heels sandals search, almost every post has sandals with high heels.
I disagree with this, sandals high_heels -high_heel_sandals is full of false positives. In the first 100 posts about half of them were high heels on one character and sandals on another.
The bulk update request #54273 (forum #416423) has been approved by @nonamethanks.
The bulk update request #54276 (forum #416437) has been rejected by @nonamethanks.
nonamethanks said in forum #422551:
I disagree with this, sandals high_heels -high_heel_sandals is full of false positives.
Well yeah, of course there's going to be way more false positives if you exclude thousands of actual positives that high_heels sandals would have no trouble finding. The only important metric is how many false positives high_heels sandals gives, and if you check the most recent 100 posts there, you could count them on one hand and still have fingers left over.
In the first 100 posts about half of them were high heels on one character and sandals on another.
All this does is prove my point - the other half of them are all untagged posts that anyone searching high_heel_sandals will miss out on. You're siding with high_heel_sandals, which will always miss hundreds of applicable posts unless someone routinely gardens it, instead of high_heels sandals, for the crime of having ~1 false positive per page. The tag is inferior to the search in every way.
