An adoptive relationship is not the same thing as a step relationship. A step relationship is between non-blood-related people connected through marriage, while an adoptive relationship is between non-blood-related people connected through adoption. Even if they sound similar, I think they're both common enough in real life for people to acknowledge the differences. I don't know why people are ignoring them here. In topic #20971 a pair of adoptive siblings was suggested to be tagged step-siblings, and the wiki of step-siblings and step-parent and step-child out right claim to include adoptive relationships. I think adoptive relationships deserve their own tags. Some people may say it's unimportant. Then why do we distinguish siblings, cousins, step-siblings and half-siblings? Just call them all siblings.
Also after reviewing the step tags, most of the characters I recognize are actually adoptive relationships.
This is a certain level of granularity that I genuinely dont think anyone cares about. Tag what you see not what you know, theres some exception for incest enjoyers but I dont think they care about this either.
This is a certain level of granularity that I genuinely dont think anyone cares about. Tag what you see not what you know, theres some exception for incest enjoyers but I dont think they care about this either.
As I already said, if we really don't care then we would not have cousins, step-siblings and half-siblings. Tag what you see not what you know? If two characters look like they're siblings I shall just tag them as siblings? If two siblings don't look like siblings they shall have the sibling tag removed? Explain all the lore-related tag.
brb on my way to ask several hundred anime characters if their parents properly married to introduce someone as a step-family member or if if they’re not married and just adopted
In all seriousness I think in Japanese there's no distinction between the two (at least for siblings; they distinguish between adoptive children/parents and stepchildren/parents), which is definitely part of the reason for the tag squish. (They also use the same words for stepsibling and sibling-in-law, just for additional confusion. I guess technically they are both added to your extended family through marriage though!) As to why step-family took precedence over adoptive family, I imagine it has something to do with that specific genre of stepsister XXX content.
Specific Japanese words for those curious/want to double-check my research
TL;DR Japanese generally doesn't care to clarify beyond "this is my sibling (not blood related)", gets a bit more specific with parent/child but can still be nonspecific
養家: Adoptive family
ステップファミリー: Stepfamily (loanword)
養父母: Adoptive parents (plural, more specifically adoptive mom and dad)
養方: Adoptive parent (singular)
養親: Adoptive parent, foster parent (singular or plural)
仮親: Adopted parents, temporary parents
養父: Adoptive father, foster father, stepfather
継父: Stepfather
義理の父: Father-in-law, foster father, stepfather
養母: Adoptive mother, foster mother
継母: Stepmother
義理の母: Mother-in-law, foster mother, stepmother
養嗣子: Adoptive heir
もらい子: Adopted child, foster child
養子: Adopted child, son-in-law
継子: Stepchild
継息子: Stepson
養女: Adopted daughter, foster daughter
継娘: Stepdaughter
義兄弟: Brother-in-law, stepbrother
義兄: Brother-in-law (through an older sibling), older stepbrother
義弟: Brother-in-law (through a younger sibling), younger stepbrother
Not much reason to bring up "tag what you see". Danbooru canon tags relationships. It's necessary to provide the context to depicted scenes. Incest is a context-based fetish.
Step siblings (sibling-type relationship where two separate childrens' parents "join families") and adoptive siblings (sibling-type relationship where one child enters family with "all new parents") are often used slightly different in porn. I feel adoptive siblings is usually "we've been siblings for most of our lives but want to fuck and it's not quite so bad because there's no blood relation", while step siblings is usually "we're horny teenagers suddenly living in the same house". But there's crossover, and both relations can technically be true at the same time too.
If the only context we have is that characters "aren't real siblings" then it's hard to guess, but it feels wrong to label it "step siblings". If we're going to tag them together then it should just be non-blood siblings.
That will lead to situations like SAO's Kirito and Suguha who are both cousins and adoptive "non-blood siblings", but "non-blood" only refers to the variety of sibling rather than having no blood relation at all. Right now they are never tagged step siblings, but they are sometimes tagged siblings.
brb on my way to ask several hundred anime characters if their parents properly married to introduce someone as a step-family member or if if they’re not married and just adopted
Even if the parents didn't "properly married", it's still a step relationship, it's not going to turn into an adoption. I don't think this is going to impact "several hundred" anime characters. Step-family is really not that frequent in anime, which makes even more sense to tag them separately so they can be found. Adoption is way more common, because unlike step-family which requires reunion between two parents, adoption is not restricted to one form, and it's so common for characters to be orphans, familial-like relationships develop with other characters as a substitute.
And it's not just about porn. People can be curious about character relationships, it's why we have all the other relationship tags. Like they want to see what unconventional familial relationships are there in a series just for fun, because they know half the characters are orphans.
I had no problem with the standard relationship tags being used for adoptive families and step-relatives. We already have inseki for non-blood related incest, so using it with the standard tags should communicate all the information the viewer would need. I don't think it's important whether two characters are related by blood when there is no evidence of an incestuous relationship in a post.
If we still want this information in all posts with two non-blood related characters, then I think we can just use one tag to indicate that such a relation exists. This would be used in combination with the standard relation tags. This should remove the problem of the inaccurate tag naming while allowing it to cover both adoptive and step- relationships, while potentially allowing for other relationships that don't fit either of the step- tags.
I don't think we should worry about cases like Sword Art Online in which cousins become siblings. It doesn't matter which of the two they are, it still counts as incest.
We also have *in-law* tags, why can't we leave them separate. Dumping them under a single tag will just make searching more difficult. And once again, it's not just about porn. Saying "it's the same in porn" or "it doesn't matter outside of porn" is not a good reason.
We also have *in-law* tags, why can't we leave them separate. Dumping them under a single tag will just make searching more difficult. And once again, it's not just about porn. Saying "it's the same in porn" or "it doesn't matter outside of porn" is not a good reason.
I hadn't considered in-laws, probably because they're not typically considered parents/siblings like adoptive relatives and step-relatives are. Since all three are non-blood related, that would muddy things a bit.
In that case, I think we should have separate tags for adoptive relatives, if only so they can be tagged accurately instead of being conflated with step-relatives. Maybe you should make a trial BUR for a small copyright with a known adoptive family to update the posts with your proposed tags.
I hadn't considered in-laws, probably because they're not typically considered parents/siblings like adoptive relatives and step-relatives are. Since all three are non-blood related, that would muddy things a bit.
In that case, I think we should have separate tags for adoptive relatives, if only so they can be tagged accurately instead of being conflated with step-relatives. Maybe you should make a trial BUR for a small copyright with a known adoptive family to update the posts with your proposed tags.
idk why but the votes on your bur aren't showing to me even thought i'm pretty sure i downvoted it
imo the problem is that to tag with brother-in-law you just need the sibling-in-law to be male, this could be the wife's brother or the husband's brother. technically it could be even the husband from the viewpoint of the spouse's brother so there probably should be a note on the wiki saying you shouldn't use this tag just because the husband in present...
to tag with brothers-in-law you need the wife to be married to a man AND she needs to have a husband. that's just too specific imo
