BUR #44846 is pending approval.
create alias suimei_school_uniform -> suimei_academy_school_uniform
create implication suimei_summer_uniform -> suimei_academy_school_uniform
Fixing this tag
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BUR #44846 is pending approval.
create alias suimei_school_uniform -> suimei_academy_school_uniform
create implication suimei_summer_uniform -> suimei_academy_school_uniform
Fixing this tag
We don't usually have separate tags for winter and summer uniforms, just the one uniform tag + winter uniform/summer uniform as needed. I don't see why this should be any different.
hasu_no_tokimeki said:
We don't usually have separate tags for winter and summer uniforms, just the one uniform tag + winter uniform/summer uniform as needed. I don't see why this should be any different.
I disagree, they're pretty different and being more detailed should be fine as long as it's accurate and on point
You "disagree" but that's literally how we do things which you would know if you looked for precedent.
BUR #45104 is pending approval.
mass update suimei_summer_uniform -> suimei_academy_school_uniform summer_uniform -suimei_summer_uniform
Counter BUR for nuking it instead. There would be at minimum two subtags for every single uniform that has a winter and summer version if implications were a thing.
hasu_no_tokimeki said:
BUR #45104 is pending approval.
mass update suimei_summer_uniform -> suimei_academy_school_uniform summer_uniform -suimei_summer_uniform
Counter BUR for nuking it instead. There would be at minimum two subtags for every single uniform that has a winter and summer version if implications were a thing.
I heavily disagree. If the issue is to not have two tags take up 2 spaces in the 20 tag minimum, then why not code implications to not count towards it?
Besides, having more detail should not be frowned upon, especially when the uniform varies a lot
DivideByZero said:
I heavily disagree. If the issue is to not have two tags take up 2 spaces in the 20 tag minimum, then why not code implications to not count towards it?
Besides, having more detail should not be frowned upon, especially when the uniform varies a lot
What pray tell is the variation between the two uniforms? Because at a glance it looks like the only difference is plus/minus a blazer. If there's more differences you should point them out in the wiki.
Ylimegirl said:
What pray tell is the variation between the two uniforms? Because at a glance it looks like the only difference is plus/minus a blazer. If there's more differences you should point them out in the wiki.
Ok
The normal (winter) uniform has a long sleeve dress shirt under the brown blazer and it does not have the school emblem beneath
The summer uniform has short sleeves that are plaid and have a button, on top of having a suimei academy.
If you talk about redundancy, look at the specificity of fate character subtags.
DivideByZero said:
The normal (winter) uniform has a long sleeve dress shirt under the brown blazer and it does not have the school emblem beneath
The summer uniform has short sleeves that are plaid and have a button, on top of having a suimei academy.
Differences in sleeve length and plus/minus a blazer (and the emblem moving to the shirt because the blazer with the emblem isn't being worn anymore), like basically every other school uniform. Gotcha. Hope you're ready for a flood of other granular sub-tags for other uniforms from other copyrights if this goes through.
If you talk about redundancy, look at the specificity of fate character subtags.
(You do realize if this goes through it's opening the door to the creation of summer and winter uniform tags for Fate school uniforms as well, right?)
People actually search for Baobhan Sith (Swimsuit Pretender) (Second Ascension). I doubt many people are going to search for suimei summer uniform. Arguably individual school uniform tags for copyrights with only one school uniform are already redundant anyways, if you really want to get into it.
Ylimegirl said:
Differences in sleeve length and plus/minus a blazer (and the emblem moving to the shirt because the blazer with the emblem isn't being worn anymore), like basically every other school uniform. Gotcha. Hope you're ready for a flood of other granular sub-tags for other uniforms from other copyrights if this goes through.
(You do realize if this goes through it's opening the door to the creation of summer and winter uniform tags for Fate school uniforms as well, right?)
People actually search for Baobhan Sith (Swimsuit Pretender) (Second Ascension). I doubt many people are going to search for suimei summer uniform. Arguably individual school uniform tags for copyrights with only one school uniform are already redundant anyways, if you really want to get into it.
The differences are enough to warrant a separate tags (the summer uniform also has plaid sleeves rather than just cut short)
The Science Adventure series constantly has crossovers and fanart that puts characters in others' clothes or uniforms. Before I changed things up and added the Mayqueen maid uniform people tagged it as Akiha Rumiho_(cosplay regardless of the fact that it was the uniform of her cafe.
Also, just because you are not interested in a series does not mean people who are aren't going to search for the uniform. Even artists use danbooru as a source for references and understanding clothes, making sure the uniforms (with enough of a difference) are tagged properly should not be a precedent frowned upon.
No matter what the differences are, it doesn't change that what you're proposing is a tandem tag for suimei_academy_school_uniform summer_uniform, a perfectly adequate 2-tag search, if it were tagged properly. A tag shouldn't be made solely to replace a 2-tag search.
You should embed those comparisons in the main tag, btw.
Updated by hasu no tokimeki
This has nothing to do with the tag minimum. If we make an exception for one series, suddenly now everyone else is going to want that same exception, and we're going to have multiple single/double digit uniform tags for every single series that has an academic setting. It's not sensible especially when the tags are only there to replace a two-tag search instead of a multi-tag search.
Fate (Series) and other gacha games have an exception based off of some precedent that otherwise makes their large number of variants and outfits of characters virtually unsearchable and that don't otherwise belong as general tags because people are often interested in specific variants of a character or those specific variants become widespread, such as Mash Kyrielight (Dangerous Beast).
No one is really arguing what the differences about the uniforms are. The problem is you're trying to open a terrible floodgate that is locked shut for good reason, and the other floodgate you tried to use as justification is selectively applied to series where it is reasonable to have it (refer to forum #336385 for an attempt to use the Fate justification for a Star Wars character).
Crossovers are not good justifications either. You tag them the same way you tag them normally but also add the appropriate copyright, character and crossover-related general tags to indicate that. If applicable, costume switch if it's more than just wearing the uniform of another academy. All of these scenarios already have sensible answers that are not getting an exception to how we handle this.
Before I changed things up and added the Mayqueen maid uniform people tagged it as Akiha Rumiho (cosplay) [..]
Also, just because you are not interested in a series does not mean people who are aren't going to search for the uniform. [..] making sure the uniforms (with enough of a difference) are tagged properly should not be a precedent frowned upon.
Wrong or outdated tagging is not a strong justification either. You fixed it (whether that's debatable or not is for a different topic) but that has nothing to do with this current conversation on academy uniforms. If those people are interested, they have one general tag which is the academy's uniform; if further refining is needed, that's where the second tag applies.
WRS said:
This has nothing to do with the tag minimum. If we make an exception for one series, suddenly now everyone else is going to want that same exception, and we're going to have multiple single/double digit uniform tags for every single series that has an academic setting. It's not sensible especially when the tags are only there to replace a two-tag search instead of a multi-tag search.
Fate (Series) and other gacha games have an exception based off of some precedent that otherwise makes their large number of variants and outfits of characters virtually unsearchable and that don't otherwise belong as general tags because people are often interested in specific variants of a character or those specific variants become widespread, such as Mash Kyrielight (Dangerous Beast).
No one is really arguing what the differences about the uniforms are. The problem is you're trying to open a terrible floodgate that is locked shut for good reason, and the other floodgate you tried to use as justification is selectively applied to series where it is reasonable to have it (refer to forum #336385 for an attempt to use the Fate justification for a Star Wars character).
Crossovers are not good justifications either. You tag them the same way you tag them normally but also add the appropriate copyright, character and crossover-related general tags to indicate that. If applicable, costume switch if it's more than just wearing the uniform of another academy. All of these scenarios already have sensible answers that are not getting an exception to how we handle this.
Wrong or outdated tagging is not a strong justification either. You fixed it (whether that's debatable or not is for a different topic) but that has nothing to do with this current conversation on academy uniforms. If those people are interested, they have one general tag which is the academy's uniform; if further refining is needed, that's where the second tag applies.
Further refining is needed and the differences are good enough to warrant it.
A lot of these specific school uniform tags are on thin ice now as is, forget tagging specific winter or summer uniforms (which to give you an idea of my perspective on, I always forget summer uniform and winter uniform are even tags that people care about). Especially when the differences are so minimal.
I think "x school uniform + summer uniform" is just fine searchwise, as it's not like the outfit will be drowned out otherwise like a lot of these gacha outfits, and any member can perform this search. The status quo here is the status quo for a reason, and I don't see a good reason to change it up.
DivideByZero said:
Further refining is needed and the differences are good enough to warrant it.
Besides the fact that you missed the point of my posts in saying this because it ultimately changes nothing besides opening a floodgate that should stay closed, this is the same kind of logic that leads to excessive tag bloat by taggers who feel the need to tag absolutely everything, from colours of things that aren't a major focus of the post to the fonts that the post are using.
Again, no one is saying they aren't different but not everything needs to be so finely refined which is why we have combination general tags to serve that purpose. Tagging uniforms for obscure school series is a one way ticket to an absolute mess. You're not providing significant justification as to why they should exist and are just effectively replying with "it should exist because I want it to exist" when you need to realise that in this instance you're not just arguing for the uniforms of this specific academy but in essence for changing the way we handle school uniform tagging in general.
Knowledge_Seeker said:
A lot of these specific school uniform tags are on thin ice now as is, forget tagging specific winter or summer uniforms (which to give you an idea of my perspective on, I always forget summer uniform and winter uniform are even tags that people care about). Especially when the differences are so minimal.
I think "x school uniform + summer uniform" is just fine searchwise, as it's not like the outfit will be drowned out otherwise like a lot of these gacha outfits, and any member can perform this search. The status quo here is the status quo for a reason, and I don't see a good reason to change it up.
What if its a drawing of two characters in different uniforms from different seasons? Then that tag will no longer work
DivideByZero said:
What if its a drawing of two characters in different uniforms from different seasons? Then that tag will no longer work
multiple seasonal school uniforms helps, its in the wiki for both.
Also just in general, having separate summer and winter tags is not just about how different they look, it's about how that means most of the 534 *_school_uniform tags will end up with two variations in addition to the base one, this is just bloat. At a certain point you have to limit the specificity of tags to prevent bloat and "x school uniform + summer uniform/winter uniform" is definitely pretty good, so having separate tags for this adds little to no value.