BUR #42437 has been rejected.
create implication ss_insignia -> runes
The SS Insignia is the Armanen Sig/Sieg (Victory) (or Sowilo (Sun) if you prefer) rune, thusly it's by default a rune and so should implicate it.
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BUR #42437 has been rejected.
create implication ss_insignia -> runes
The SS Insignia is the Armanen Sig/Sieg (Victory) (or Sowilo (Sun) if you prefer) rune, thusly it's by default a rune and so should implicate it.
The bulk update request #42437 (forum #361010) has been rejected by @nonamethanks.
Ultexia said:
Also, totenkopf is a form of skull_and_crossbones and should implicate it.
No it isn't. From Wikipedia (emphasis mine):
Totenkopf (German: [ˈtoːtn̩ˌkɔpf], i.e. skull, literally "dead person's head") is the German word for skull. The word is often used to denote a figurative, graphic or sculptural symbol, common in Western culture, consisting of the representation of a human skull – usually frontal, more rarely in profile with or without the mandible. In some cases, other human skeletal parts may be added, often including two crossed long bones (femurs) depicted below or behind the skull (when it may be referred to in English as a "skull and crossbones").
It also, as a point of order, isn't an exclusively German, and especially not an exclusively Nazi symbol, or exclusively at 3/4 view, so the wiki needs some serious correction in many regards; even to the modern day, there are plenty of variations of the symbol used as insignia by military/paramilitary units of all kinds in many different countries, so the fact that people are basically only tagging Nazi shit with it is kind of a serious problem, IMO.
Actually, checking through more wikis, this subset of tags is kind of a disaster in general, really, like the article for Jolly Roger saying that it has to have a Skull and Crossbones or Skull and Crossed Swords (untrue, most real life pirate flags didn't even have the 'traditional' Skull and Crossbones- many just had the skull, or a whole skeleton even). The way I see it, Jolly Roger should be for pirate flags (or flags aping being pirate flags), and totenkoph should be a stylized skull as a form of [para-]military insignia, which is a way more logical division to me that doesn't even really make things any harder to tag.
Ultexia said:
The word "Totenkopf" in German is translated as "skull and crossbones" in English in all contexts.
?????????????? What? Where are you getting that from? It doesn't mean "skull and crossbones", it just means "skull" when translated literally- and even non-literally, the "Death's Head" symbol does not, and has never, implied leg bones needing to be beneath the skull
Wyrmmidon said:
?????????????? What? Where are you getting that from? It doesn't mean "skull and crossbones", it just means "skull" when translated literally- and even non-literally, the "Death's Head" symbol does not, and has never, implied leg bones needing to be beneath the skull
Ultexia said:
Translated that page to english, aaaaaand....
Dude, do you even know how to read? If the article were talking about the Skull and Crossbones specifically, it wouldn't need to clarify "In some cases, other human skeletal parts can be added to the representation of the head skeleton."
I just said that when the word is being used in English it doesn't mean exactly the same thing anymore but only a specific style. And yes, Totenkopf actually means skull and crossbones. Not literally, of course, but in all contexts where one would say "skull and crossbones" it's always "Totenkopf" in German.
In english the term "Totenkopf" is strictly associated with Nazi Germany's imagery, it's not a simple matter of 1:1 translation. Its meaning in the original language is only tangentially related, what matters is how it's used in modern day.
For example, post #5676632 only has the skull without the crossbones, but it's still a Totenkopf.
nonamethanks said:
In english the term "Totenkopf" is strictly associated with Nazi Germany's imagery, it's not a simple matter of 1:1 translation. Its meaning in the original language is only tangentially related, what matters is how it's used in modern day.
For example, post #5676632 only has the skull without the crossbones, but it's still a Totenkopf.
Understandable. The totenkopf article needs to be updated then if merely a skull suffices.
I've updated the totenkopf wiki article to be more in line with some of the points raised here. I removed a reference to it being a skull and crossbones, but also mentioned that the most recognisable form does contain those elements, but it could still be a totenkopf without the crossbones or the mandible. I think the form most people think of when they think of this symbol is this one, which does actually include the mandible.
It's my first time editing a wiki page. If someone has a second to check my edit and see if they think it looks OK I would appreciate it.