Yes, "parent_and_child" should be a tag

BUR #39725 is pending approval.

mass update father_and_daughter -> parent_and_child
mass update father_and_son -> parent_and_child
mass update mother_and_daughter -> parent_and_child
mass update mother_and_son -> parent_and_child

The wiki to this currently has a message stating not to use it and use one of the ones in the bur instead.

Not only do we not have a tag for parents and kids with indeterminate gender post #5410545 or non humanoids post #8834073 it also makes it needlessly headache inducing to search for or blacklist posts.

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(father_and_daughter or father_and_son or mother_and_daughter or mother_and_son) rating:g no_humans or at the very least (father_and* or mother_and_*) rating:g no_humans

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parent_and_child rating:g no_humans

Actual bur is the below but the system currently craps out because the tag has been used despite the wiki in a few posts leading to the "can't make up more than 90%" error and will be posted if the above goes through.

Imply father_and_daughter -> parent_and_child
imply father_and_son -> parent_and_child
imply mother_and_daughter -> parent_and_child
imply mother_and_son -> parent_and_child

If people don't like the idea of going with the bur we should at the very least be able to use it for non humanoids.

Apperently people are already using the tags father_and_child or mother_and_child. This could be a potential way of solving the sea of "father and/or mother holding infant of indeterminate gender" posts but people might call it clunky. Once again same error due to the tag already being in use but if cleaned up the below might work.

Imply father_and_daughter -> father_and_child
imply father_and_son -> father_and_child
imply mother_and_daughter -> mother_and_child
imply mother_and_son -> mother_and_child
Imply father_and_child -> parent_and_child
imply mother_and_child -> parent_and_child

Previous topic #27071 topic #26399 topic #20109

With non-humanoid characters I apply the parent tags canonically as if they were counted as usual, unless the characters in the image are completely unknown or ambiguous canonically. Both of the characters in post #8508365 are canonically female, so someone searching warrior_cats mother_and_daughter would expect to see it there, even if the characters (rightfully) are not counted under 2girls. I didn't take blacklisting into account because their relationship is entirely canon-based knowledge to begin with, as is the majority of usage of family tags.

We already can use parent and child for ambiguous parents and children. That's what it's intended for. Or I guess not officially, according to the wiki, but with the advent of the "other" gender counter I'd think it'd be silly to say we can't use it in those cases.

I'm not really against an umbrella tag, either, but it seems like it'd make searching specifically for other-gendered or most non-humanoid parents much harder.

Trouble_Windows said:

I'm not really against an umbrella tag, either, but it seems like it'd make searching specifically for other-gendered or most non-humanoid parents much harder.

That is actually a fair point, though then you could argue most people looking for non humanoids would also want pictures like that even if they were of a known gender. Creature_and_offsrping? Or you could do something like parent_and_child no_humans or if the discourse on that continues.

parent_and_child animal_focus

I WOULD add the tag to the many, many pictures of non humanoids with their babies but since the wiki says no...

edit: @nonamethanks You are both a mod and the person who wrote in the wiki not to use this tag, what do you think of it on non humanoids? Should it be nuked? should I add it? Do you just wanna see how the bur plays out?

Personally, as someone that likes looking at parent and children posts, this would be very convenient. I wouldn't have to look through every single combination

I suppose something like parent_and_child 1other or parent_and_child other_focus could still be used to find other-gendered parents, actually, so I'm not too bothered by this as an umbrella now that I think about it more.

Too vague, people looking for wincest will end up getting father and son bara and will be mentally scared for life.

ShartInMart said:

Too vague, people looking for wincest will end up getting father and son bara and will be mentally scared for life.

Thought that was a joke but you actually downvoted it: Just put -male_focus or -*boy* or -bara or anything really. Or if you specifically want female only just use mother_and_daughter or one of the parties to be female you can search mother_and_* or *_and_daughter.

Trouble_Windows said:

I suppose something like parent_and_child 1other or parent_and_child other_focus could still be used to find other-gendered parents, actually, so I'm not too bothered by this as an umbrella now that I think about it more.

I appriciate going back to change the vote.

ShartInMart said:

Too vague, people looking for wincest will end up getting father and son bara and will be mentally scared for life.

This is being proposed as an umbrella tag like how siblings is implicated by brothers, sisters, brother and sister, and twins, so if you want to find more specific parent/child pairings the other tags can still be used. i'm guessing wincest means something else in this context because i thought you were referring to the supernatural brothers and was very confused. either way i dont search for incest so whatever

Zalza said:

Thought that was a joke but you actually downvoted it: Just put -male_focus or -*boy* or -bara or anything really. Or if you specifically want female only just use mother_and_daughter or one of the parties to be female you can search mother_and_* or *_and_daughter.

I appriciate going back to change the vote.

Sadly I don't have the privilege to add or remove more than two tags

ShartInMart said:

Sadly I don't have the privilege to add or remove more than two tags

There are ways of filtering like ylimegirl said. In the mean time we can argue if it should be applied to non_humanoids (And update the wiki if people think it should).

BUR #39741 is pending approval.

mass update favgroup:42538 -> parent_and_child

Here the non humanoids are regardless of "gender tagging". Note however that the "gendered" tags here range anywhere from "animal next to a younger of the same species or pokemon next to its prevolution so someone decided it must be the mom" post #6501497 post #1035234 to cases like the above mentioned where something in the lore/description/real life info gives it away but is not obvious from a glance post #8931629 to pictures of simba and mufasa.

Or stuff featuring both parents post #6444970